If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
On 01/15/08 10:35, B A R R Y wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote: Of course, during instrument training the instructor should take full responsibility for see and avoid. However, during my training if the CFII was unable to spot the conflicting aircraft and it was getting close, I came out from under the hood and looked for it. IMHO, the safety of the flight was far more important than staying under the hood and not helping. Besides the risk of injury or death, you're also PIC. Actually, that must be agreed upon before the flight by both the student and the CFII (assuming the student can act as PIC with regard to FARs). At the flight school I attended, it was policy that the CFII would be PIC during dual training flights. Also, I've heard that in such flights, the CFII would have a hard time denying PIC responsibility in the event of an incident (although I never actually tested this). Usually, I spotted it within a few seconds and just went back under the hood. I wouldn't care for any system that prevented me from being able to do that. Same here, and I've only had to help twice, but I'm glad we don't have to completely block the left front corner of the cockpit. Amen. I'm not sure I would fly under such circumstances... I guess it's no different than being in the passenger cabin of a passenger jet. On a side note, the CRM method I set it up with safety pilots and instructors, as well as suggest when I'm acting as safety pilot, is that the person looking will also answer the ATC traffic calls themselves. The flying pilot will still do all the normal IFR radio stuff, but this simplifies internal cockpit comms. I do the same. It makes good sense. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
On Jan 14, 9:32*pm, wrote:
I've been working on that elusive instrument rating for awhile now, but I still haven't come up with a very good solution for my view limiting device. Steve Job Boy, you missed being a Billionaire by one letter. We just talked about this on the Mooney list. They make "old people" foggles... http://www.ifrglasses.com/852.html They're called "Old Foggies" and they incorporate the reading glasses. -Robert |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
On Jan 15, 10:16*am, "akjcbkJA" wrote:
In England, the hood type devices are not allowed for serious instrument training or checkrides. The aircraft have to be fitted with a sort of venetian blind which completely blocks out the outside world to the trainee/applicant but al lows the instructor/examiner a full view. If the window is covered up how does the CFII watch for traffic? Sounds dangerous. Isn't it true too that in the UK you can't get an instrument rating unless you first have an ATP? -robert |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
Mark Hansen wrote:
Amen. I'm not sure I would fly under such circumstances... I guess it's no different than being in the passenger cabin of a passenger jet. Except they're not doing low level maneuvers and stalls, as is done in training. G |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
AkjcbkJA,
The aircraft have to be fitted with a sort of venetian blind which completely blocks out the outside world to the trainee/applicant but al lows the instructor/examiner a full view. Well, I've seen those contraptions. That last part of your statement I definitely don't buy. Dangerous! Unnecessary, too. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
On Jan 14, 11:32 pm, wrote:
I've been working on that elusive instrument rating for awhile now, but I still haven't come up with a very good solution for my view limiting device. I need to wear glasses for reading (charts), but otherwise I see just fine. I wear progressive lenses (for presbyopia) that vary from a diopter of 2.5 on the bottom to almost no correction on the top. Most "devices" only let you see out of the bottom of your glasses, which works for reading but then the panel is blurry. I have to remove the entire contraption if I want to see the "runway environment". I've tried foggles, and a "real" wraparound hood. The hood seems to work the best, but I get a "crushing" headache from wearing the headset, hood, and glasses. Maybe it's because it's an old style that clamps around you head! I've noticed some alternatives on the market including; Overcasters, Hoodwinks, and one called Viban. Have any of you had success with a particular type of hood? I would be very interested to hear your opinions, especially if you also wear progressive or bifocal lens glasses. Thanks! Steve Job Thanks to everyone who responded to this query! My instructor bought a new hood that I tried out last night. It attached to my head with two loose straps, using velcro to adjust the length. Very comfortable! I like the idea of the "Old Foggies" foggles as well. I just wish they would change the name! Steve Job Steve Job |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
I used the HoodLamb and found it worked very well with both bifocals
and progressives. Here is a link to a web site that sells them. http://www.cfipilot.com/IFR-Training...p/hoodlamb.htm Good luck with your training. Cary Mariash On Jan 14, 11:32*pm, wrote: I've been working on that elusive instrument rating for awhile now, but I still haven't come up with a very good solution for my view limiting device. ... Have any of you had success with a particular type of hood? *I would be very interested to hear your opinions, especially if you also wear progressive or bifocal lens glasses. Thanks! Steve Job |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
|
#19
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
On Jan 15, 12:32*am, wrote:
I've been working on that elusive instrument rating for awhile now, but I still haven't come up with a very good solution for my view limiting device. I need to wear glasses for reading (charts), but otherwise I see just fine. *I wear progressive lenses (for presbyopia) that vary from a diopter of 2.5 on the bottom to almost no correction on the top. *Most "devices" only let you see out of the bottom of your glasses, which works for reading but then the panel is blurry. *I have to remove the entire contraption if I want to see the "runway environment". I've tried foggles, and a "real" wraparound hood. *The hood seems to work the best, but I get a "crushing" headache from wearing the headset, hood, and glasses. *Maybe it's because it's an old style that clamps around you head! I've noticed some alternatives on the market including; Overcasters, Hoodwinks, and one called Viban. Have any of you had success with a particular type of hood? *I would be very interested to hear your opinions, especially if you also wear progressive or bifocal lens glasses. Thanks! Steve Job IMHO If you use foggles only, you are cheating yourself: http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications...m?article=4849 |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
"View Limiting Device" recommendations please
On Jan 19, 6:08 pm, wrote:
On Jan 15, 12:32 am, wrote: I've been working on that elusive instrument rating for awhile now, but I still haven't come up with a very good solution for my view limiting device. I need to wear glasses for reading (charts), but otherwise I see just fine. I wear progressive lenses (for presbyopia) that vary from a diopter of 2.5 on the bottom to almost no correction on the top. Most "devices" only let you see out of the bottom of your glasses, which works for reading but then the panel is blurry. I have to remove the entire contraption if I want to see the "runway environment". I've tried foggles, and a "real" wraparound hood. The hood seems to work the best, but I get a "crushing" headache from wearing the headset, hood, and glasses. Maybe it's because it's an old style that clamps around you head! I've noticed some alternatives on the market including; Overcasters, Hoodwinks, and one called Viban. Have any of you had success with a particular type of hood? I would be very interested to hear your opinions, especially if you also wear progressive or bifocal lens glasses. Thanks! Steve Job IMHO If you use foggles only, you are cheating yourself: http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications...m?article=4849 I completely agree. No cheating allowed. I've only been in "actual" a few times. The most interesting was in winter during a very dark night, with no moon and several layers of clouds. In between the layers it was pitch black. While in the clouds, we started to pick up some light rime ice. I could see the AI start to indicate a left (or right) bank, but it just didn't "feel" right. The yoke seemed to be almost frozen when I tried to correct based on the instruments. I just couldn't reconcile my incorrect feeling of banking left, with the reality of banking right. It took a tremendous mental effort to make the right control inputs. This had never happened using a view limiting device. There is a HUGE difference to me between actual and simulated. Besides the visual clues (shadows moving etc.), you always have that "security blanket" of knowing you can remove the device and see the real horizon whenever you want. I've been training mostly at night (to eliminate shadows), and I want the most realistic (and most comfortable) device I can find. I've only made a few subsequent excursions into the clouds after that winter night, and that was while I was wearing my hood. It wasn't as bad as the first time, but I almost preferred to keep the hood on! ;) |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Magazine Scans Various [03/17] - "F4 Cockpit view.jpg" yenc (2/2) | Martin[_4_] | Aviation Photos | 0 | October 10th 07 01:51 PM |
Magazine Scans Various [03/17] - "F4 Cockpit view.jpg" yenc (1/2) | Martin[_4_] | Aviation Photos | 0 | October 10th 07 01:51 PM |
Saturday 072807 in Oshkosh Pt 6 - Warbird show pix I forgot to post earlier [01/33] - "Another view of the heavy metal.jpg" yEnc (0/1) | Just Plane Noise[_2_] | Aviation Photos | 0 | July 31st 07 10:48 PM |
Saturday 072807 in Oshkosh Pt 6 - Warbird show pix I forgot to post earlier [01/33] - "Another view of the heavy metal.jpg" yEnc (1/1) | Just Plane Noise[_2_] | Aviation Photos | 0 | July 31st 07 10:48 PM |
Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [12/30] - "F22 another top view.jpg" yEnc (1/1) | Just Plane Noise[_2_] | Aviation Photos | 0 | July 29th 07 06:37 AM |