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Holding Pattern Question
rip wrote: ATC won't clear anyone into your block of airspace until after your EFC time to prevent two aircraft in IMC from using the same space. Non radar only. |
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rip wrote: Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Why not? Waiting for the ETA ties up airspace and delays other aircraft. ATC won't clear anyone into your block of airspace until after your EFC time to prevent two aircraft in IMC from using the same space. Rip Sure they will. You land, find a phone, call 1-800-WX-BRIEF and say, "This is N12345, on the ground at KXYZ, cancel IFR". |
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John Godwin wrote: Mark Hansen wrote in : If you lose just transmitter or just receiver you can still communicate one-way. Two-way radio communications failure means loss of both transmitter and receiver. That's ridiculous. "Bugsmasher 34 Romeo, if you read, squawk 4221" In my case, it was, "N17AV, if you read this transmission, turn left 30 degrees and ident", which was soon followed by, "Radar contact, continue along previously cleared route". Or words to that effect. Our route was POU V157 HAARP HPN. Once you get to the bend in V157, you're very close to the ILS-16 localizer. We decided to just go for the localizer as soon as we got there. The moment we left the airway, we heard, "N17AV, you appear to be flying the ILS-16, cleared approach". We flew the approach. We didn't see any light signals from the tower, nor did we waste any effort looking for them. We landed, and taxied off the runway. Our handheld VHF, which didn't work for **** in the air, was able to talk to ground. We taxied back to the ramp with them and that was the end of that. |
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Dave Butler writes: When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery. Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising. - FChE |
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Since 9/11, I would expect a NORDO big iron to be
intercepted by an F16. "Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote in message ... | | Dave Butler writes: | | When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your | way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery. | | Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and | NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO | and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising. | | - FChE |
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Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Dave Butler writes: When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery. Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising. Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call and flies out of range of the sector he was talking to. All radios work fine yet he is NORDO. We try and get him on 121.5. Eventually we do but it might be 100 miles. |
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Newps wrote: Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Dave Butler writes: When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery. Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising. Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call and flies out of range of the sector he was talking to. All radios work fine yet he is NORDO. We try and get him on 121.5. Eventually we do but it might be 100 miles. One of the weirdest calls I've gotten was one day a while back I was talking to New York doing practice approaches. "Traffic is a 757, not under my control, nobody's talking to him". I never found out what happened, but I can only guess a handoff got botched. The controller didn't seem overly concerned. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:19:52 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
One of the weirdest calls I've gotten was one day a while back I was talking to New York doing practice approaches. "Traffic is a 757, not under my control, nobody's talking to him". I never found out what happened, but I can only guess a handoff got botched. The controller didn't seem overly concerned. That's a topper in my book. G |
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Roy Smith wrote:
In article , Newps wrote: Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Dave Butler writes: When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery. Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising. Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call and flies out of range of the sector he was talking to. All radios work fine yet he is NORDO. We try and get him on 121.5. Eventually we do but it might be 100 miles. One of the weirdest calls I've gotten was one day a while back I was talking to New York doing practice approaches. "Traffic is a 757, not under my control, nobody's talking to him". I never found out what happened, but I can only guess a handoff got botched. The controller didn't seem overly concerned. No reason for the controller to be concerned. He's on the ground in a nice, cozy, dark room with a mug of coffee! :-) Matt |
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Newps writes: Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Dave Butler writes: When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery. Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising. Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call [...] Eventually we [get him] but it might be 100 miles. But isn't that airliner still following procedures - maintaining the cleared track & altitude? A sudden dive and a turn ("improvising") better arouse concern. - FChE |
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