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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
On 2/24/21 4:13 PM, Dave Nadler wrote:
On 2/24/2021 4:51 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, wrote: https://insideevs.com/news/490300/hy...ll-82000-bevs/ Discuss amongst yourselves... Dave, it's time for you to stop complaining and just admit electric is simple. You're absolutely right Darryl! After all, how hard could it be??? Simple and ultra reliable. You gonna be dragging your old faithful Antares down to the Seniors this year? |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
On 2/24/2021 8:55 PM, kinsell wrote:
On 2/24/21 4:13 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: On 2/24/2021 4:51 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, wrote: https://insideevs.com/news/490300/hy...ll-82000-bevs/ Discuss amongst yourselves... Dave, it's time for you to stop complaining and just admit electric is simple. You're absolutely right Darryl! After all, how hard could it be??? Simple and ultra reliable.Â* You gonna be dragging your old faithful Antares down to the Seniors this year? After it failed during the last two comps I took it to? Drive for days, fly a few times, then drive for days home after it breaks? I don't think so... Anyway, no vaccination yet so no travel in any case. |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
Dave Nadler wrote on 2/24/2021 6:08 PM:
On 2/24/2021 8:55 PM, kinsell wrote: On 2/24/21 4:13 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: On 2/24/2021 4:51 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, wrote: https://insideevs.com/news/490300/hy...ll-82000-bevs/ Discuss amongst yourselves... Dave, it's time for you to stop complaining and just admit electric is simple. You're absolutely right Darryl! After all, how hard could it be??? Simple and ultra reliable.* You gonna be dragging your old faithful Antares down to the Seniors this year? After it failed during the last two comps I took it to? Drive for days, fly a few times, then drive for days home after it breaks? I don't think so... Anyway, no vaccination yet so no travel in any case. The Antares was a bold effort, perhaps too bold, and by now, it's an old effort. No point in holding it up as an example anymore. Now, all the manufacturers have electric gliders, and Solo has added electric systems to their sailplane power business. Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than ICEs. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
On 2/24/21 9:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Dave Nadler wrote on 2/24/2021 6:08 PM: On 2/24/2021 8:55 PM, kinsell wrote: On 2/24/21 4:13 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: On 2/24/2021 4:51 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, wrote: https://insideevs.com/news/490300/hy...ll-82000-bevs/ Discuss amongst yourselves... Dave, it's time for you to stop complaining and just admit electric is simple. You're absolutely right Darryl! After all, how hard could it be??? Simple and ultra reliable.Â* You gonna be dragging your old faithful Antares down to the Seniors this year? After it failed during the last two comps I took it to? Drive for days, fly a few times, then drive for days home after it breaks? I don't think so... Anyway, no vaccination yet so no travel in any case. The Antares was a bold effort, perhaps too bold, and by now, it's an old effort. No point in holding it up as an example anymore. Now, all the manufacturers have electric gliders, and Solo has added electric systems to their sailplane power business. Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than ICEs. I see another Silent 2 just popped up on the market, that makes four plus one recently sold. Garret suggests you might want to aerotow or winch launch to conserve battery power. When I see these things with a dozen hours on them up for sale, it suggests that the owners aren't that thrilled with what they got for their money. |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
On 2/25/2021 9:49 AM, kinsell wrote:
I see another Silent 2 just popped up on the market, that makes four plus one recently sold.Â* Garret suggests you might want to aerotow or winch launch to conserve battery power.Â* When I see these things with a dozen hours on them up for sale, it suggests that the owners aren't that thrilled with what they got for their money. The Silent 2 is an interesting bird. I've got friends that love it, and others that have sold it on. Some owners have had to replace battery packs, newer packs are reported OK - but this is 2nd or 3rd hand info. More importantly, its got very limited energy, so if you self-launch, not much in the tank to get home. Because of its limited performance, you can't just skip over gaps that higher performance machines take for granted, and a bit of headwind is a big obstacle. So, if it can do what you need with your weather and site constraints, great! But work through carefully whether it meets your needs. FWIW... Best Regards, Dave |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
kinsell wrote on 2/25/2021 6:49 AM:
On 2/24/21 9:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: Dave Nadler wrote on 2/24/2021 6:08 PM: On 2/24/2021 8:55 PM, kinsell wrote: On 2/24/21 4:13 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: On 2/24/2021 4:51 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, wrote: https://insideevs.com/news/490300/hy...ll-82000-bevs/ Discuss amongst yourselves... Dave, it's time for you to stop complaining and just admit electric is simple. You're absolutely right Darryl! After all, how hard could it be??? Simple and ultra reliable.* You gonna be dragging your old faithful Antares down to the Seniors this year? After it failed during the last two comps I took it to? Drive for days, fly a few times, then drive for days home after it breaks? I don't think so... Anyway, no vaccination yet so no travel in any case. The Antares was a bold effort, perhaps too bold, and by now, it's an old effort. No point in holding it up as an example anymore. Now, all the manufacturers have electric gliders, and Solo has added electric systems to their sailplane power business. Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than ICEs. I see another Silent 2 just popped up on the market, that makes four plus one recently sold. Garret suggests you might want to aerotow or winch launch to conserve battery power.* When I see these things with a dozen hours on them up for sale, it suggests that the owners aren't that thrilled with what they got for their money. It would be instructive to discuss the reasons with the people selling the Silents. My only contact with one is Jeff Banks' Silent. We flew together for a week out of Richfield, UT, last year. He likes it, self-launched every flight, and had good flights. He also flew out of Heber, Nephi and Dick Stout airfields in 2020. You can check the OLC for his flights in 2018, 2019 and 2020. Also, 2021 - first flight of the year at Seminole. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
...Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than ICEs. Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid. As I did once. You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right? And I do mean THIS year... |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
On 2/25/21 6:07 PM, Dave Nadler wrote:
On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: ...Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than ICEs. Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid. As I did once. You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right? And I do mean THIS year... I noticed one of the other Silent 2 Electro owners was fishing around to buy an ASH31Mi, a gas guzzling Schleicher product. Grass is always greener on the other side. Maybe Eric and that guy could work out a swap, then they'd both have their dream ships :-) |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
Dave Nadler wrote on 2/25/2021 5:07 PM:
On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: ...Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than ICEs. Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid. As I did once. You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right? And I do mean THIS year... Even on the original, pre-Covid schedule, it would not have been ready for the Seniors. And consider this: my current motorglider, the ASH26E, was delivered a year late by Schleicher, so by that standard, GP still has until Feb. 2022 to get the new glider to me :^) There are a lot of FES gliders out there now, and with all the manufacturers offering them, there will be many more. The more powerful electrics with mast mounted propellers are also offered by all the manufacturers, and many pilots that think the FES gliders are appealing but marginal will be ordering these new gliders. I think you will see a lot of Kool-Aid drinkers behind the Schleicher, Schempp-Hirth, and Jonkers booths at the SSA convention in 2022, all offering what you saw - and desired - in the Antares years ago. They won't make the same mistakes that Lange made. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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$1 billion BMS Ooops...
On 2/25/2021 11:02 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Dave Nadler wrote on 2/25/2021 5:07 PM: On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: ...Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than ICEs. Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid. As I did once. You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right? And I do mean THIS year... ...They won't make the same mistakes that Lange made. Except they already have. GP delivered and then undelivered to USA a good example. |
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