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wrote in message ...
Yes, the former is achievable; the latter is not. Nevertheless, the guidelines are written to be as close to possible to the latter, not the former. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:
"Everett M. Greene" wrote Procedurally, you are correct -- if the pilot says he's IMC, ATC handles him accordingly. However, his statement isn't a "fact" in the legal sense in that it's uncorraborated and in the situation being discussed, another pilot is "saying" it's VMC by his actions. Which of the two "facts" is correct? The pilot not communicating with ATC isn't saying anything. Actions speak louder than (as loud as) words. If the other pilot believes it to be VMC, he doesn't have to talk to ATC and can pass through any altitude desired to or from a VFR altitude. |
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"Everett M. Greene" wrote in message ... Actions speak louder than (as loud as) words. If the other pilot believes it to be VMC, he doesn't have to talk to ATC and can pass through any altitude desired to or from a VFR altitude. There's no evidence that the VFR pilot was not in VMC at all times. |
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message news:ihatessppaamm- I haven't had an opportunity to check my TCAS sources. But I seem to remember the TCAS II unit having some interface with the Radar Altimeter. Also, I'm pretty sure that a GPWS (or TAWS) warning/alert/whateveritiscalled takes priority over an RA. Note that a radar altimeter isn't normally used above 2500' agl. I found some TCAS II block diagrams and it is connected to both the pressure alt and the radar altimeter. There appears to be a shift in the RA behavior at 1700' AGL which would jive with your 2500' threshold |
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"Chip Jones" wrote in message ...
Part of this "voice" thing for me is always sound like I'm in complete control (even when I am not). I did try to be clear and concise and I did emphasize the control suggestion in this scenario but I did not really change my tone of voice to what I think of as "urgent". I am reevaluating my technique here- your suggestion certainly has some merit. Chip, JMO, but I don't think your technique needs reevaluation. Long ago in days gone by when the kids walked 2 miles to school through 3 ft tall drifts uphill in both directions, I was an EMT in a major hospital emergency room. I learned two things PDQ: 1) in an emergency, if I wanted anyone to do what I said, I had to cultivate a calm, DEEP tone of voice (as a young woman, the deep part was more of an issue for me) 2) the experienced hands all knew this and would chide me "calm down, relax" if I didn't make a point of it, which was embarassing and all that I believe there have actually been some studies done which show that in a crisis situation, humans respond best to a calm authoritative voice. FWIW Sydney |
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Snowbird wrote: Doesn't this sound like a good title for a thriller? "The Haunted Controller" While I don't know of any that actually involve ghosts, the concept of "Controller spends the rest of his life thinking about people who died because of something he thinks he did/didn't do" has been done, well, to death. "Airport" had one, "Turbulance" had one, and I'm sure there are lots more... Tina Marie -- Life is like an analogy. http://www.tripacerdriver.com |
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Do controllers have a corollary of the PIC command authority, i.e. do
what's right to save lives even if it means breaking 7110? Such as when you issued vectors to your beer-offering pilot in distress on top? Mitch Gossman "Chip Jones" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I guess had he been above 10,000 you could have used the merging target provisions of the 7110.65? I guess I am not totally following you here, Joe. Besides the "radar identified" requirement for the traffic, the merging target provisions still put the onus on the pilot to request vectors for avoidance. I think I still would have ended up in an alert situation with this pair. Had I known that these aircraft were going to get so apparently close in the end without a visual, I would have vectored the Baron early in the interests of air safety (regardless of what the 7110 dictates) to avoid the alert. Hindsight and all that. :-) To further muddy the water, merging target procedures dictate that I issue traffic information to aircraft whose targets will merge (as in this event) *unless* the aircraft are separated by more than the appropriate vertical minima. In the class of airspace that this event occurred in (Class E), there are no formal vertical separation minima between IFR and VFR aircraft. Obviously there are several ways to interpret how this procedure does or does not apply had this scenario occurred above 10,000. Chip, ZTL ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Mitchell Gossman" wrote in message om... Do controllers have a corollary of the PIC command authority, i.e. do what's right to save lives even if it means breaking 7110? Such as when you issued vectors to your beer-offering pilot in distress on top? Yes, see subparagraph c. below: FAA Order 7110.65N Air Traffic Control Chapter 2. General Control Section 1. General 2-1-1. ATC SERVICE The primary purpose of the ATC system is to prevent a collision between aircraft operating in the system and to organize and expedite the flow of traffic. In addition to its primary function, the ATC system has the capability to provide (with certain limitations) additional services. The ability to provide additional services is limited by many factors, such as the volume of traffic, frequency congestion, quality of radar, controller workload, higher priority duties, and the pure physical inability to scan and detect those situations that fall in this category. It is recognized that these services cannot be provided in cases in which the provision of services is precluded by the above factors. Consistent with the aforementioned conditions, controllers shall provide additional service procedures to the extent permitted by higher priority duties and other circumstances. The provision of additional services is not optional on the part of the controller, but rather is required when the work situation permits. Provide air traffic control service in accordance with the procedures and minima in this order except when: a. A deviation is necessary to conform with ICAO Documents, National Rules of the Air, or special agreements where the U.S. provides air traffic control service in airspace outside the U.S. and its possessions or: NOTE- Pilots are required to abide by CFR's or other applicable regulations regardless of the application of any procedure or minima in this order. b. Other procedures/minima are prescribed in a letter of agreement, FAA directive, or a military document, or: NOTE- These procedures may include altitude reservations, air refueling, fighter interceptor operations, law enforcement, etc. REFERENCE- FAAO 7110.65, Procedural Letters of Agreement, Para 1-1-8. c. A deviation is necessary to assist an aircraft when an emergency has been declared. REFERENCE- FAAO 7110.65, Safety Alert, Para 2-1-6. FAAO 7110.65, Emergencies, Chapter 10. FAAO 7110.65, Merging Target Procedures, Para 5-1-8. |
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