If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Busted IFR Checkride
Took my IFR checkride today and busted... I screwed up the holding
pattern big time and that was that... At first I was so damn fustrated that I told the DE that I just want to head back to the airport... Then I thought to myself "what are you going to do there pout?" :-) I then decided to go ahead with the rest of the ride and get it out of the way. I did OK... not great but passable... This DE made it pretty easy on me... He was telling me about his IFR checkride and him busting on his first attempt too... He busted on the holding pattern too so I didn't feel that bad.. He now has 14,000+ hours and doesn't worry about his busted IFR checkride so I figured why should I... Now I just need to go back up with my instructor once, do the freakn' holding pattern... Go back up with the DE... do the freakn' holding pattern and be done... More to follow... Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA Argggg... |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Not a biggie. Life goes on. Sorry that it happened, but considering that you
will spend an infinitesimal amount of time actually holding in real life (not counting doing it to stay current), you got the important stuff behind you. Bob Gardner "Jon Kraus" wrote in message ... Took my IFR checkride today and busted... I screwed up the holding pattern big time and that was that... At first I was so damn fustrated that I told the DE that I just want to head back to the airport... Then I thought to myself "what are you going to do there pout?" :-) I then decided to go ahead with the rest of the ride and get it out of the way. I did OK... not great but passable... This DE made it pretty easy on me... He was telling me about his IFR checkride and him busting on his first attempt too... He busted on the holding pattern too so I didn't feel that bad.. He now has 14,000+ hours and doesn't worry about his busted IFR checkride so I figured why should I... Now I just need to go back up with my instructor once, do the freakn' holding pattern... Go back up with the DE... do the freakn' holding pattern and be done... More to follow... Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA Argggg... |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Thanks Bob... I figured the same thing... I hear that most people have
never been asked to hold anywhere... how about you? JK Bob Gardner wrote: Not a biggie. Life goes on. Sorry that it happened, but considering that you will spend an infinitesimal amount of time actually holding in real life (not counting doing it to stay current), you got the important stuff behind you. Bob Gardner "Jon Kraus" wrote in message .. . Took my IFR checkride today and busted... I screwed up the holding pattern big time and that was that... At first I was so damn fustrated that I told the DE that I just want to head back to the airport... Then I thought to myself "what are you going to do there pout?" :-) I then decided to go ahead with the rest of the ride and get it out of the way. I did OK... not great but passable... This DE made it pretty easy on me... He was telling me about his IFR checkride and him busting on his first attempt too... He busted on the holding pattern too so I didn't feel that bad.. He now has 14,000+ hours and doesn't worry about his busted IFR checkride so I figured why should I... Now I just need to go back up with my instructor once, do the freakn' holding pattern... Go back up with the DE... do the freakn' holding pattern and be done... More to follow... Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA Argggg... |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Two times stick in my memory: Holding at the Kallispell, MT VORTAC one night on the way into Helena, and holding on the Battleground, WA VORTAC on the way into Portland International. They wouldn't be memorable if it the weather had been nice.
Bob Gardner "Jon Kraus" wrote in message ... Thanks Bob... I figured the same thing... I hear that most people have never been asked to hold anywhere... how about you? JK Bob Gardner wrote: Not a biggie. Life goes on. Sorry that it happened, but considering that you will spend an infinitesimal amount of time actually holding in real life (not counting doing it to stay current), you got the important stuff behind you. Bob Gardner "Jon Kraus" wrote in message ... Took my IFR checkride today and busted... I screwed up the holding pattern big time and that was that... At first I was so damn fustrated that I told the DE that I just want to head back to the airport... Then I thought to myself "what are you going to do there pout?" :-) I then decided to go ahead with the rest of the ride and get it out of the way. I did OK... not great but passable... This DE made it pretty easy on me... He was telling me about his IFR checkride and him busting on his first attempt too... He busted on the holding pattern too so I didn't feel that bad.. He now has 14,000+ hours and doesn't worry about his busted IFR checkride so I figured why should I... Now I just need to go back up with my instructor once, do the freakn' holding pattern... Go back up with the DE... do the freakn' holding pattern and be done... More to follow... Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA Argggg... |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
I never understood why holding patterns are so damn important. I have
received a holding clearance only once in my life. Why are they required for the recency experience and the checkride? Also, why are the entry procedures so important? Is there any example where an incorrect entry procedure would have caused an accident? "Bob Gardner" wrote in news:llYhc.4783$YP5.441855@attbi_s02: Not a biggie. Life goes on. Sorry that it happened, but considering that you will spend an infinitesimal amount of time actually holding in real life (not counting doing it to stay current), you got the important stuff behind you. Bob Gardner "Jon Kraus" wrote in message ... Took my IFR checkride today and busted... I screwed up the holding pattern big time and that was that... At first I was so damn fustrated that I told the DE that I just want to head back to the airport... Then I thought to myself "what are you going to do there pout?" :-) I then decided to go ahead with the rest of the ride and get it out of the way. I did OK... not great but passable... This DE made it pretty easy on me... He was telling me about his IFR checkride and him busting on his first attempt too... He busted on the holding pattern too so I didn't feel that bad.. He now has 14,000+ hours and doesn't worry about his busted IFR checkride so I figured why should I... Now I just need to go back up with my instructor once, do the freakn' holding pattern... Go back up with the DE... do the freakn' holding pattern and be done... More to follow... Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA Argggg... |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Jon Kraus wrote:
Took my IFR checkride today and busted... I screwed up the holding pattern big time and that was that.. What doesn't kill you will only serve to make you stronger. Sorry about the bust, but good job pulling yourself out of the "feel sorry for myself slump" into which you almost slid. BTW, to answer your hold question: FWIW, after flying about 350 hours IFR (most of those hours were not IMC, mind you) in a spam can in the busy Northeast US, I have yet to have a hold assigned. Perhaps it was the fact that I flew most of those hours in a C172 where ground speed was often measured with two digits, not three. ;-) -- Peter |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Allen,
Basically just nerves mostly... A couple of things contributed to that. One was that I agreed to be this DE's first IFR checkride... that being so, we had the FAA examiner with us examining him... My oral was 3 hours long and this about wiped me out... He asked me everything under the sun... I survived this but the weather took a turn for the worse so we didn't go up after the oral portion. I was on my way home after the oral when some turned their car right in front of me and before I could stop I clipped their back end... First damn accident I have been in in 15 years or so... It kinda shook me up a little but I didn't think it was too bad... This morning we were to do the flight portion of the test... I had everything set up for my clearance and was told after take off to intercept V305 and head north. I was then to to hold at the WELDO intersection... I was thinking cool I have done exact thing several times... What I didn't realize is that V305 is real close to V96 and I had tuned in the wrong redial on the OBS... When things didn't start centering when they should have I began to double check and caught my error.. By the time I determined what was wrong I had blown through the intersection and that threw me for a loop... I got confused and that is when the DE said that it was an unsat maneuver... Really no excuses... I blew it and will take responsibility... Look for my post next Wednesday that I passed the recheck :-) Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA A Lieberman wrote: Jon Kraus wrote: Took my IFR checkride today and busted... I screwed up the holding pattern big time and that was that... Hey Jon, Appreciate your post. I am getting closer to that time.... What part of holding did you bust, timing? Entry? Suggestions for my check ride to come down the road??? Allen |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
"Peter R." wrote in message
... Jon Kraus wrote: Took my IFR checkride today and busted... I screwed up the holding pattern big time and that was that.. BTW, to answer your hold question: FWIW, after flying about 350 hours IFR (most of those hours were not IMC, mind you) in a spam can in the busy Northeast US, I have yet to have a hold assigned. Perhaps it was the fact that I flew most of those hours in a C172 where ground speed was often measured with two digits, not three. ;-) As I said recently, fly approaches into a popular untowered airport enough times, and you'll get held while the controller tries to confirm the guy before you really landed. For extra credit, do that in IMC. Don't mentally block the unexpected hold instruction and keep motoring on, or the controller will have to patiently deliver you back to the fix. No, never happened to me, not even in training, no siree. Jon, you're almost there. Hang in. -- David Brooks |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
hanks Bob... I figured the same thing... I hear that most people have
never been asked to hold anywhere... how about you I only have my IFR ticket for two years and had to hold twice. Hank |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Andrew Sarangan wrote:
I never understood why holding patterns are so damn important. I have received a holding clearance only once in my life. I get them once in a while around New York. Sometimes it's for flow control, but sometimes it's to meet LOA's. Departing HPN to the northeast, you typically get vectors to Carmel VOR. There seems to be an LOA which requires you to cross Carmel at or above 5000 before being handed off to the next controller. On a hot summer day, sometimes I can't make 5000 and I get to climb in a hold until I do. Oddly enough, I've never gotten "cross CMK at or above 5000" as part of my clearance, but if I'm not at 5000 by the time I get there, I can pretty much count on getting a hold. As often as not, the holding instructions (whether for the CMK climb or for anything else) will be something like "just give me a couple of left 360's right there". I would suggest not trying to demonstrate one of those on a checkride, though :-) Why are they required for the recency experience and the checkride? I suspect in part because they're used so infrequently. Things you don't do very often are the things you tend to forget and thus need to practice. Also, why are the entry procedures so important? In theory, if you don't use the proper entry, you may stray out of the protected airspace. However, the protected airspace is so large compared to the turn radius of a spam can, it's usually not a real problem. On the other hand, a lot of the published en-route holds around New York have notations like "max holding speed 210 kts" (obviously not a problem for you or me). I can only assume that the limit the holding speed so they can reduce the size of the protected airspace. In a situation like that, using the correct entry may indeed be important. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
IFR Checkride Checklist | BTIZ | Instrument Flight Rules | 0 | April 18th 04 12:06 AM |
IFR Checkride Scheduled | Jon Kraus | Instrument Flight Rules | 15 | April 6th 04 05:30 AM |
Passed my IFR checkride today. | [email protected] | Instrument Flight Rules | 5 | February 8th 04 07:04 AM |
IR checkride story! | Guy Elden Jr. | Instrument Flight Rules | 16 | August 1st 03 09:03 PM |
CFI-I Checkride stories? | Jim | Instrument Flight Rules | 11 | July 18th 03 01:04 AM |