Riddle me this, pilots

Chip Jones wrote in message The response I get is "Baron 123 is IMC, no
contact."

Howdy!

While your scenario may be right on the money, let me point out that some
pilots will claim to be IMC even when there isn't a cloud in the sky. Their
reasoning is that by doing this, it keep the onus of seperation on the
controller. We both know this isn't quite how it works, but then again, a
chimpanzee flew Mercury 7.

D.

"Capt. Doug" wrote in message
...
Chip Jones wrote in message The response I get is "Baron 123 is IMC, no
contact."

Howdy!

While your scenario may be right on the money, let me point out that some
pilots will claim to be IMC even when there isn't a cloud in the sky.
Their
reasoning is that by doing this, it keep the onus of seperation on the
controller. We both know this isn't quite how it works, but then again, a
chimpanzee flew Mercury 7.


Good point, D. I've actually seen a talking Jackass work an ATC sector down
here, now that you mention it. :-)

Chip, ZTL




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Chip Jones wrote in message Good point, D. I've actually seen a talking
Jackass work an ATC sector down here, now that you mention it. :-)

Seems to happen everytime I request direct to OKK from JOHNN. :-)

D. (pilots vs. controllers- what a softball game that would be!)

"Capt. Doug" wrote in message
...
Chip Jones wrote in message Good point, D. I've actually seen a
talking
Jackass work an ATC sector down here, now that you mention it. :-)

Seems to happen everytime I request direct to OKK from JOHNN. :-)

LOL! IIU is about it for directs to Chicagoland from Florida way...


D. (pilots vs. controllers- what a softball game that would be!)


Well, at least your monkies could swing a bat. Our Jackasses probably would
have a little trouble with the pitching, too... and it would always be the
pilots's fault. :-)

Chip, ZTL




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("Capt. Doug" wrote)

(pilots vs. controllers- what a softball game that would be!)

Man on 3rd base....You are not authorized to cross Home plate. Repeat...hold
short of Home plate!

Person holding short of 1st base, you may now taxi back to the dugout -
you're out.

Ahh, a double play in the making, on a ball hit over the centerfielder's
head.

--
Montblack

Montblack wrote:

("Capt. Doug" wrote)

(pilots vs. controllers- what a softball game that would be!)

Man on 3rd base....You are not authorized to cross Home plate. Repeat...hold
short of Home plate!

Person holding short of 1st base, you may now taxi back to the dugout -
you're out.

Ahh, a double play in the making, on a ball hit over the centerfielder's
head.

--
Montblack



Dare I ask the classic A&C bit, to wit, 'who' is on first...'what' is on
second....and 'I don't know' is on third?

Doc Tony
;-)

[suddenly...]

George H. "Let's get serious [!] here, Doc! What we need are 'team'
names! In effect, what is the 'team' name for the the ATC controllers
and what is the 'team' name for the pilots? Something 'catchy' perhaps!"

Chip: "Well, how's this: 'Air Wizards' for the ATC folks [pauses...] and
'TINJOCKEYS" for the pilots?"

X: [JD/LL.B. type from one of the av groups!] "Objection! The name
'tinjockeys' is clearly an inequitable visual analogy when the other
team bears the otherwise superlative name of alleged 'air wizards'!"

Y: [quickly grabs the Black Robe from the chair nearest the KB and
assumes an ad hoc judicial posture.... !] "Objection over-ruled!"

X: "Exception!"

Y: "Noted!"

Doc Tony: "How about we take the acronym approach! What say ye to the
"DAMNED" [Descend And Maintain Normal Equated Distance] for the ATC
folks and the "CAVULARIOS" for the pilots?"

George H. "Nahhhh. Simply "AIRS" for 'us' that fly versus "SEATS" for
'them' that sits!"

Chip: [and duly noting George's comment.....] "Well, as an alternative,
what say to the "SCOPES" versus the "GROPES" !"

;-)


Ohhh, what harm.

[from the other thread...and STILL at it...throat well coarse now! ]

Jim Fisher: "SEND DOWN 50' OF ROPE.....fer cryin' out loud!"

great flick, that one!

[but to my utter surprise...talking about flicks...]

Montblack: [doing the commanding officer to Detective 'Popeye' Doyle
bit...] "You know your hunches have been wrong before, Doc, or have you
forgotten about that?"

;-)

Jim Fisher: [the man loves those old flicks! Reverts and gets very
serious....indeed angry!!] "Six weeks my partner and I worked this case
and WHO do we come up with...PETE DUNIHO fer cripes sake...now you
gotta' give us that warrant!" [*later for 'Joel Weinstock'..the actual
script line]

"Capt. Doug" wrote in message ...
Chip Jones wrote in message The response I get is "Baron 123 is IMC, no
contact."

While your scenario may be right on the money, let me point out that some
pilots will claim to be IMC even when there isn't a cloud in the sky. Their
reasoning is that by doing this, it keep the onus of seperation on the
controller.

Hi Doug,

There's also the vis. factor. If it's hazy and you're flying towards
the sun, you can't see a durn thing even if there isn't a cloud out
there. You're flying on instruments; isn't that properly described
as "IMC" with no funky legal reasoning behind it?

OTOH, a plane flying perp. or away from the sun can legitimately
see 3+ miles

IIRC the Baron was flying 110, early a.m., perhaps this is possible?

Cheers,
Sydney

Snowbird wrote in message There's also the vis. factor. If it's hazy and
you're flying towards the sun, you can't see a durn thing even if there
isn't a cloud out
there. OTOH, a plane flying perp. or away from the sun can legitimately
see 3+ miles

Last weekend, I flew up to North Carolina at 16,500'. I try to put one of
the local flight instructors in the seat when I can. It was a hazy summer
day, but the co-pilot of the day had no problem maintaining straight and
level, staying out of the clouds, and spotting landmarks. However, the TCAD
(traffic collision avoidance thing) would show an occassional target being
within 3 miles of us and we couldn't see them for nothing.

D.

Yes, my old TCADs used to do that for me in eastern Kansas, too.
(Or maybe it was in western Missouri, I'm not too sure.)
I've not noticed it since I upgraded to a 9900BX last year, though.
---JRC---

"Capt. Doug" wrote in message =
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However, the TCAD
(traffic collision avoidance thing) would show an occassional target =
being
within 3 miles of us and we couldn't see them for nothing.
=20
D.
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"John R. Copeland" wrote in
:

Yes, my old TCADs used to do that for me in eastern Kansas, too.
(Or maybe it was in western Missouri, I'm not too sure.)
I've not noticed it since I upgraded to a 9900BX last year, though.
---JRC---

We're getting a few aircraft with the Goodyear system, & I love it. I see
aircraft flying out over the Gulf that I would never see at all if I didn't
see them come up on there. But we sometimes still can't see them, even on
a clear day. It depends a lot on the paint scheme and the position of the
sun. A white and blue helicopter over water is very difficult to see.

--
Regards,

Stan