FLARM releases firmware for ADS-R and TIS-B

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 8:23:00 AM UTC+1, wrote:
Moshe,

Only TIS-B has position uncertainty from the imprecision of SSR, which varies with the distance from the radar station. Both ADS-R and TIS-B have some position error from delay introduced by the reception-processing-rebroadcast sequence. ADS-B is not designed for close proximity collision warning - it's more a traffic separation tool - 5 miles and 1000 feet. I believe you can get ADS-R/TIS-B traffic alerts at, say, 1 mile, depending on on your display.

Yes. We will try enabling traffic alerts for ADS-R, but I'm a bit reluctant since correctly detecting tow trains may be hard, given the (uncertain) time delay.

Honestly, the dual-ADS-B setup in the US - of which ADS-R/TIS-B is the consequence - is a surprisingly complex beast. We're thus happy to hear your feedback, preferably with IGC log files sent along to .

Thanks
- Urban

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 6:12:27 AM UTC-8, Urban Mäder wrote:
On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 8:23:00 AM UTC+1, wrote:
Moshe,

Only TIS-B has position uncertainty from the imprecision of SSR, which varies with the distance from the radar station. Both ADS-R and TIS-B have some position error from delay introduced by the reception-processing-rebroadcast sequence. ADS-B is not designed for close proximity collision warning - it's more a traffic separation tool - 5 miles and 1000 feet. I believe you can get ADS-R/TIS-B traffic alerts at, say, 1 mile, depending on on your display.
Yes. We will try enabling traffic alerts for ADS-R, but I'm a bit reluctant since correctly detecting tow trains may be hard, given the (uncertain) time delay.

Honestly, the dual-ADS-B setup in the US - of which ADS-R/TIS-B is the consequence - is a surprisingly complex beast. We're thus happy to hear your feedback, preferably with IGC log files sent along to .

Thanks
- Urban


The Benefit for upgrading to 7.03 is that the annual update is reset.

FLARM uses a rolling release cycle, requiring an annual update. Each update can be applied anytime during a rolling one-year period. This makes it easier to align FLARM firmware updates with the yearly aircraft maintenance. It is also in line with the maintenance care that a safety system requires.

The ADS-R and TIS-B reception is important to be able to receive aircraft that have UAT instead of 1090ES or that have no ADS-B Out at all.

You can purchase at:

http://www.craggyaero.com/powerflarm_core1.htm

Happy New Year

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

I assume TIS-B is not available in Europe otherwise wouldn’t it be beneficial also in Europe to rebroadcast non ADS-B transponder equipped aircraft like gliders? Or in Europe there are no exceptions so all gliders have ADS-B? Otherwise there is an advantage to the US TIS-B as we can now see most gliders which are only equipped with transponders.

Ramy

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 6:12:27 AM UTC-8, Urban Mäder wrote:
On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 8:23:00 AM UTC+1, wrote:
Moshe,

Only TIS-B has position uncertainty from the imprecision of SSR, which varies with the distance from the radar station. Both ADS-R and TIS-B have some position error from delay introduced by the reception-processing-rebroadcast sequence. ADS-B is not designed for close proximity collision warning - it's more a traffic separation tool - 5 miles and 1000 feet. I believe you can get ADS-R/TIS-B traffic alerts at, say, 1 mile, depending on on your display.
Yes. We will try enabling traffic alerts for ADS-R, but I'm a bit reluctant since correctly detecting tow trains may be hard, given the (uncertain) time delay.

Honestly, the dual-ADS-B setup in the US - of which ADS-R/TIS-B is the consequence - is a surprisingly complex beast. We're thus happy to hear your feedback, preferably with IGC log files sent along to .

Thanks
- Urban

Please remember that for ADS-R and TIS-B to work reliably your glider needs to be ADS-B Out equipped. That can be 2020 Compliant or TABS (but not say any old GPS providing position data to ADS-B Out with SIL=0) this allows the glider to be it a client of the ADS-R and TIS-B ground based services. You also need to configure the ADS-B Out to describe that the glider/PowerFLARM can receive ADS-B data on 1090ES. Since we are talking almost excessively Trig transponders that means that on the Trig transponder ADS-B setup menu you set "1090ES In" to YES and "UAT In" to NO. (that's the way I've been encouraging folks to set this up anyhow... waiting for this day to come :-)).

If your glider has ADS-B Out today and PowerFLARM this is something I would encourage you to just install over winter. If you fly near dense GA traffic (which may be more likely to be UAT Out or only transponder equipped) then this may be justification for upgrading to ADS-B Out to enable your glider to be a ADS-R and TIS-B client.... and also to ensure that hopefully much of that traffic can also see you.

This update has been a significant amount of work from FLARM, to serve a relatively small customer base in the USA. And it's not trivial to implement, thanks Jerome and Urban at Flarm for doing the hard work here. Also thanks to folks in the USA who have test flow this over the last few months.

Do you have ADS-R and TIS-B ADS-B ground service coverage near your gliderport? Or other busy traffic areas? You can start by lookin at the FAA ADS-B coverage maps in Google Earth: https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/research/airspace (the radar coverage info there will also give you an idea if you will see traffic via SSR/TIS-B).

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Hi All - FLARM has announced release of firmware supporting ADS-R and
TIS-B reception. This feature is included in new firmware for Core
Fusion. For original PowerFLARM core and portable, this requires a
license available he
https://flarm.com/shop/ads-r-and-tis-b-reception-adsr/

Firmware is available he
https://flarm.com/support/firmware-u...nload-firmware.

Additional info about this feature he
https://flarm.com/products/product-add-ons/ads-r-tis-b.

Enjoy!
Best Regards, Dave

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Please remember that for ADS-R and TIS-B to work reliably your glider needs to be ADS-B Out equipped. That can be 2020 Compliant or TABS (but not say any old GPS providing position data to ADS-B Out with SIL=0) this allows the glider to be it a client of the ADS-R and TIS-B ground based services.. You also need to configure the ADS-B Out to describe that the glider/PowerFLARM can receive ADS-B data on 1090ES. Since we are talking almost excessively Trig transponders that means that on the Trig transponder ADS-B setup menu you set "1090ES In" to YES and "UAT In" to NO. (that's the way I've been encouraging folks to set this up anyhow... waiting for this day to come :-)).

If your glider has ADS-B Out today and PowerFLARM this is something I would encourage you to just install over winter. If you fly near dense GA traffic (which may be more likely to be UAT Out or only transponder equipped) then this may be justification for upgrading to ADS-B Out to enable your glider to be a ADS-R and TIS-B client.... and also to ensure that hopefully much of that traffic can also see you.

This update has been a significant amount of work from FLARM, to serve a relatively small customer base in the USA. And it's not trivial to implement, thanks Jerome and Urban at Flarm for doing the hard work here. Also thanks to folks in the USA who have test flow this over the last few months.

Do you have ADS-R and TIS-B ADS-B ground service coverage near your gliderport? Or other busy traffic areas? You can start by lookin at the FAA ADS-B coverage maps in Google Earth: https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/research/airspace (the radar coverage info there will also give you an idea if you will see traffic via SSR/TIS-B).
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Hi All - FLARM has announced release of firmware supporting ADS-R and
TIS-B reception. This feature is included in new firmware for Core
Fusion. For original PowerFLARM core and portable, this requires a
license available he
https://flarm.com/shop/ads-r-and-tis-b-reception-adsr/

Firmware is available he
https://flarm.com/support/firmware-u...nload-firmware.

Additional info about this feature he
https://flarm.com/products/product-add-ons/ads-r-tis-b.

Enjoy!
Best Regards, Dave

Darryl,
Is it correct to say that if you have Powerflarm and ADS-B Out, then there is no benefit to getting the ADSR license, as you're getting the UAT re-transmission into the 30nm hockey puck already?
Charlie

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 11:48:07 AM UTC-8, Charles Gillespie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Please remember that for ADS-R and TIS-B to work reliably your glider needs to be ADS-B Out equipped. That can be 2020 Compliant or TABS (but not say any old GPS providing position data to ADS-B Out with SIL=0) this allows the glider to be it a client of the ADS-R and TIS-B ground based services. You also need to configure the ADS-B Out to describe that the glider/PowerFLARM can receive ADS-B data on 1090ES. Since we are talking almost excessively Trig transponders that means that on the Trig transponder ADS-B setup menu you set "1090ES In" to YES and "UAT In" to NO. (that's the way I've been encouraging folks to set this up anyhow... waiting for this day to come :-)).

If your glider has ADS-B Out today and PowerFLARM this is something I would encourage you to just install over winter. If you fly near dense GA traffic (which may be more likely to be UAT Out or only transponder equipped) then this may be justification for upgrading to ADS-B Out to enable your glider to be a ADS-R and TIS-B client.... and also to ensure that hopefully much of that traffic can also see you.

This update has been a significant amount of work from FLARM, to serve a relatively small customer base in the USA. And it's not trivial to implement, thanks Jerome and Urban at Flarm for doing the hard work here. Also thanks to folks in the USA who have test flow this over the last few months.

Do you have ADS-R and TIS-B ADS-B ground service coverage near your gliderport? Or other busy traffic areas? You can start by lookin at the FAA ADS-B coverage maps in Google Earth: https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/research/airspace (the radar coverage info there will also give you an idea if you will see traffic via SSR/TIS-B).
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Hi All - FLARM has announced release of firmware supporting ADS-R and
TIS-B reception. This feature is included in new firmware for Core
Fusion. For original PowerFLARM core and portable, this requires a
license available he
https://flarm.com/shop/ads-r-and-tis-b-reception-adsr/

Firmware is available he
https://flarm.com/support/firmware-u...nload-firmware.

Additional info about this feature he
https://flarm.com/products/product-add-ons/ads-r-tis-b.

Enjoy!
Best Regards, Dave
Darryl,
Is it correct to say that if you have Powerflarm and ADS-B Out, then there is no benefit to getting the ADSR license, as you're getting the UAT re-transmission into the 30nm hockey puck already?
Charlie

It's actually the opposite. If you have ADS-B Out, and configure it so you get ADS-R and TIS-B services (e.g. set up the ADS-B Out so it advertises your aircraft can receive ADS-B In on 1090ES) the PowerFLARM will still not decode the ADS-R and TIS-B messages. They are close to but different than a plain ADS-B direct message... which is why we are here in the first place with FLARM having to implement separate code to deal with those messages. If you have ADS-B Out already (2020 compliant or TABS) then you are the intended customer for this PowerFLARM ADS-R/TIS-B option.

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 3:23:05 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 11:48:07 AM UTC-8, Charles Gillespie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Please remember that for ADS-R and TIS-B to work reliably your glider needs to be ADS-B Out equipped. That can be 2020 Compliant or TABS (but not say any old GPS providing position data to ADS-B Out with SIL=0) this allows the glider to be it a client of the ADS-R and TIS-B ground based services. You also need to configure the ADS-B Out to describe that the glider/PowerFLARM can receive ADS-B data on 1090ES. Since we are talking almost excessively Trig transponders that means that on the Trig transponder ADS-B setup menu you set "1090ES In" to YES and "UAT In" to NO. (that's the way I've been encouraging folks to set this up anyhow... waiting for this day to come :-)).

If your glider has ADS-B Out today and PowerFLARM this is something I would encourage you to just install over winter. If you fly near dense GA traffic (which may be more likely to be UAT Out or only transponder equipped) then this may be justification for upgrading to ADS-B Out to enable your glider to be a ADS-R and TIS-B client.... and also to ensure that hopefully much of that traffic can also see you.

This update has been a significant amount of work from FLARM, to serve a relatively small customer base in the USA. And it's not trivial to implement, thanks Jerome and Urban at Flarm for doing the hard work here. Also thanks to folks in the USA who have test flow this over the last few months..

Do you have ADS-R and TIS-B ADS-B ground service coverage near your gliderport? Or other busy traffic areas? You can start by lookin at the FAA ADS-B coverage maps in Google Earth: https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/research/airspace (the radar coverage info there will also give you an idea if you will see traffic via SSR/TIS-B).
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Hi All - FLARM has announced release of firmware supporting ADS-R and
TIS-B reception. This feature is included in new firmware for Core
Fusion. For original PowerFLARM core and portable, this requires a
license available he
https://flarm.com/shop/ads-r-and-tis-b-reception-adsr/

Firmware is available he
https://flarm.com/support/firmware-u...nload-firmware.

Additional info about this feature he
https://flarm.com/products/product-add-ons/ads-r-tis-b.

Enjoy!
Best Regards, Dave
Darryl,
Is it correct to say that if you have Powerflarm and ADS-B Out, then there is no benefit to getting the ADSR license, as you're getting the UAT re-transmission into the 30nm hockey puck already?
Charlie
It's actually the opposite. If you have ADS-B Out, and configure it so you get ADS-R and TIS-B services (e.g. set up the ADS-B Out so it advertises your aircraft can receive ADS-B In on 1090ES) the PowerFLARM will still not decode the ADS-R and TIS-B messages. They are close to but different than a plain ADS-B direct message... which is why we are here in the first place with FLARM having to implement separate code to deal with those messages. If you have ADS-B Out already (2020 compliant or TABS) then you are the intended customer for this PowerFLARM ADS-R/TIS-B option.

So to be clear, a Powerflarm with 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out is not really a client of ADS-R and TIS-B ground-based services unless it also has the ADSR license to decode this information, true? Thanks for your insight.

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 2:44:21 PM UTC-8, Charles Gillespie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 3:23:05 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 11:48:07 AM UTC-8, Charles Gillespie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Please remember that for ADS-R and TIS-B to work reliably your glider needs to be ADS-B Out equipped. That can be 2020 Compliant or TABS (but not say any old GPS providing position data to ADS-B Out with SIL=0) this allows the glider to be it a client of the ADS-R and TIS-B ground based services. You also need to configure the ADS-B Out to describe that the glider/PowerFLARM can receive ADS-B data on 1090ES. Since we are talking almost excessively Trig transponders that means that on the Trig transponder ADS-B setup menu you set "1090ES In" to YES and "UAT In" to NO. (that's the way I've been encouraging folks to set this up anyhow... waiting for this day to come :-)).

If your glider has ADS-B Out today and PowerFLARM this is something I would encourage you to just install over winter. If you fly near dense GA traffic (which may be more likely to be UAT Out or only transponder equipped) then this may be justification for upgrading to ADS-B Out to enable your glider to be a ADS-R and TIS-B client.... and also to ensure that hopefully much of that traffic can also see you.

This update has been a significant amount of work from FLARM, to serve a relatively small customer base in the USA. And it's not trivial to implement, thanks Jerome and Urban at Flarm for doing the hard work here. Also thanks to folks in the USA who have test flow this over the last few months.

Do you have ADS-R and TIS-B ADS-B ground service coverage near your gliderport? Or other busy traffic areas? You can start by lookin at the FAA ADS-B coverage maps in Google Earth: https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/research/airspace (the radar coverage info there will also give you an idea if you will see traffic via SSR/TIS-B).
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Hi All - FLARM has announced release of firmware supporting ADS-R and
TIS-B reception. This feature is included in new firmware for Core
Fusion. For original PowerFLARM core and portable, this requires a
license available he
https://flarm.com/shop/ads-r-and-tis-b-reception-adsr/

Firmware is available he
https://flarm.com/support/firmware-u...nload-firmware.

Additional info about this feature he
https://flarm.com/products/product-add-ons/ads-r-tis-b.

Enjoy!
Best Regards, Dave
Darryl,
Is it correct to say that if you have Powerflarm and ADS-B Out, then there is no benefit to getting the ADSR license, as you're getting the UAT re-transmission into the 30nm hockey puck already?
Charlie
It's actually the opposite. If you have ADS-B Out, and configure it so you get ADS-R and TIS-B services (e.g. set up the ADS-B Out so it advertises your aircraft can receive ADS-B In on 1090ES) the PowerFLARM will still not decode the ADS-R and TIS-B messages. They are close to but different than a plain ADS-B direct message... which is why we are here in the first place with FLARM having to implement separate code to deal with those messages.. If you have ADS-B Out already (2020 compliant or TABS) then you are the intended customer for this PowerFLARM ADS-R/TIS-B option.
So to be clear, a Powerflarm with 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out is not really a client of ADS-R and TIS-B ground-based services unless it also has the ADSR license to decode this information, true? Thanks for your insight.

Uh lets be precise/careful with this technical language. An aircraft is a client when the ground system thinks it is and is transmitting ADS-R or TIS-B data for it. Whether your PowerFLARM can decode ADS-R or TIS-B nothing on the ground can tell. All the FAA ADS-B ground infrastructure has to rely on is the aircraft position data, some information about the GPS fix quality/accuracy (i.e. if they fall below a certain level the ground system stops treating you as a client) and the capability code bits set in the ADS-B Out system that describe what ADS-B In link layer(s) the aircraft has. And I've been encouraging everybody to set "1090ES Out" ==YES in the Trig ADS-B Out setups... ready for the day we have TIS-B/ADS-R support. So I'd hazard a guess that almost all gliders flying with 1090ES Out today are frequent ADS-R and TIS-B clients but it makes no difference if you can't actually decode those messages. BTW you can actually see the % flight time your aircraft was a TIS-B client in the FAA PAPR report.

I’ve been flying with the beta version for several month and it works very well. This is also an opportunity to save by buying the powerflarm fusion in the discounted price of about $1500 which includes all licenses and save on the $160 license fee, then sell your old core when the price goes up.

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Hi All - FLARM has announced release of firmware supporting ADS-R and
TIS-B reception. This feature is included in new firmware for Core
Fusion. For original PowerFLARM core and portable, this requires a
license available he
https://flarm.com/shop/ads-r-and-tis-b-reception-adsr/

Firmware is available he
https://flarm.com/support/firmware-u...nload-firmware.

Additional info about this feature he
https://flarm.com/products/product-add-ons/ads-r-tis-b.

Enjoy!
Best Regards, Dave

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 5:24:35 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
I’ve been flying with the beta version for several month and it works very well. This is also an opportunity to save by buying the powerflarm fusion in the discounted price of about $1500 which includes all licenses and save on the $160 license fee, then sell your old core when the price goes up.
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Hi All - FLARM has announced release of firmware supporting ADS-R and
TIS-B reception. This feature is included in new firmware for Core
Fusion. For original PowerFLARM core and portable, this requires a
license available he
https://flarm.com/shop/ads-r-and-tis-b-reception-adsr/

Firmware is available he
https://flarm.com/support/firmware-u...nload-firmware.

Additional info about this feature he
https://flarm.com/products/product-add-ons/ads-r-tis-b.

Enjoy!



The new Powerflarm Fusion has wifi and blue tooth to feed ForeFlight etc. Does it feed the ADS-B weather info and notams etc to the Electronic Flight Bag systems?

Bruce