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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
Been a busy day today.
Wonder what a heated airline policy discussion looks like that could end up missing calls from ATC and spend 150 miles off course...? Perhaps they were really just busy texting.... http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/10/22...ef=mpstoryview |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
"Richard" wrote in message ... Been a busy day today. Wonder what a heated airline policy discussion looks like that could end up missing calls from ATC and spend 150 miles off course...? Perhaps they were really just busy texting.... I have a hard time texting over 13k feet. they fell asleep. Im surprised this doesnt happen more often with small aircraft. You engage that auto-pilot and its just so relaxing. Turn on the xm tilt your head back and life is good, no one to bother you ask you for things no you know what your daughter did or can you fix this or that. Nope, just smooth flying across a beautiful country. http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/10/22...ef=mpstoryview |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
On Oct 24, 8:35*pm, "Aluckyguess" wrote:
"Richard" wrote in message I have a hard time texting over 13k feet. they fell asleep. *Im surprised this doesnt happen more often with small aircraft. You engage that auto-pilot and its just so relaxing. Turn on the xm tilt your head back and life is good, no one to bother you ask you for things no you know what your daughter did or can you fix this or that. Nope, just smooth flying across a beautiful country. I'm sure the specifics will emerge over time but I find it a bit curious that there's no mention about even a possibility that the A320's nav system may have experienced a glitch. I stand to be corrected but on most pilots, the entire flight path is entered into the FMS even before pushback, with amendments made along the way as and when required by the ATC in respect of flight levels and runway destination. I'd once been in the flight deck of an A320 and saw that the craft reached TOD and commenced descent uncommanded and since on that flight there were no changes in the descent profile, it virtually flew itself until the ILS was detected whereupon the pilots kind of flew it manually. You may recall that even the fated 737 Helios of a few years ago reached Athens and kept flying a holding pattern until the fuel ran out despite all on board having died much before then. It beggars belief that an A320 could've flown on 100 miles past the destination airport! Ramapriya |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
On Oct 25, 8:13*am, D Ramapriya wrote:
Sorry, there were two typos - read "flights" for "pilots" and "intercepted" for "detected" Ramapriya |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
"D Ramapriya" wrote in message ... On Oct 24, 8:35 pm, "Aluckyguess" wrote: "Richard" wrote in message I have a hard time texting over 13k feet. they fell asleep. Im surprised this doesnt happen more often with small aircraft. You engage that auto-pilot and its just so relaxing. Turn on the xm tilt your head back and life is good, no one to bother you ask you for things no you know what your daughter did or can you fix this or that. Nope, just smooth flying across a beautiful country. I'm sure the specifics will emerge over time but I find it a bit curious that there's no mention about even a possibility that the A320's nav system may have experienced a glitch. I stand to be corrected but on most pilots, the entire flight path is entered into the FMS even before pushback, with amendments made along the way as and when required by the ATC in respect of flight levels and runway destination. I'd once been in the flight deck of an A320 and saw that the craft reached TOD and commenced descent uncommanded and since on that flight there were no changes in the descent profile, it virtually flew itself until the ILS was detected whereupon the pilots kind of flew it manually. You may recall that even the fated 737 Helios of a few years ago reached Athens and kept flying a holding pattern until the fuel ran out despite all on board having died much before then. It beggars belief that an A320 could've flown on 100 miles past the destination airport! Ramapriya The radios, did they fail and then start working again. The gps the pilots should be tracking there position. Time they would of noted one heck of a head wind. Its common for pilots to take cat naps, just not at the same time. I maintain they fell asleep. I hope im wrong for the pilots sake. |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
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, D Ramapriya wrote: On Oct 24, 8:35*pm, "Aluckyguess" wrote: "Richard" wrote in message I have a hard time texting over 13k feet. they fell asleep. *Im surprised this doesnt happen more often with small aircraft. You engage that auto-pilot and its just so relaxing. Turn on the xm tilt your head back and life is good, no one to bother you ask you for things no you know what your daughter did or can you fix this or that. Nope, just smooth flying across a beautiful country. I'm sure the specifics will emerge over time but I find it a bit curious that there's no mention about even a possibility that the A320's nav system may have experienced a glitch. Occam's razor: it's simpler and more believable (at least to me) that two pilots who were negligent enough to fall asleep (or whatever crazy thing they did) were also negligent enough to screw up the nav system set up, or at least leave it in a mode which required manual intervention to continue to the next phase of flight. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
On Oct 26, 11:40*am, Mike Ash wrote:
In article , *D Ramapriya wrote: On Oct 24, 8:35*pm, "Aluckyguess" wrote: "Richard" wrote in message I have a hard time texting over 13k feet. they fell asleep. *Im surprised this doesnt happen more often with small aircraft. You engage that auto-pilot and its just so relaxing. Turn on the xm tilt your head back and life is good, no one to bother you ask you for things no you know what your daughter did or can you fix this or that.. Nope, just smooth flying across a beautiful country. I'm sure the specifics will emerge over time but I find it a bit curious that there's no mention about even a possibility that the A320's nav system may have experienced a glitch. Occam's razor: it's simpler and more believable (at least to me) that two pilots who were negligent enough to fall asleep (or whatever crazy thing they did) were also negligent enough to screw up the nav system set up, or at least leave it in a mode which required manual intervention to continue to the next phase of flight. It's the accent upon the 100+ miles that gets me. In a car world 100+ miles -is- a long way. In an airliner at 400 knots that's 15 minutes. |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
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, george wrote: On Oct 26, 11:40*am, Mike Ash wrote: In article , *D Ramapriya wrote: On Oct 24, 8:35*pm, "Aluckyguess" wrote: "Richard" wrote in message I have a hard time texting over 13k feet. they fell asleep. *Im surprised this doesnt happen more often with small aircraft. You engage that auto-pilot and its just so relaxing. Turn on the xm tilt your head back and life is good, no one to bother you ask you for things no you know what your daughter did or can you fix this or that. Nope, just smooth flying across a beautiful country. I'm sure the specifics will emerge over time but I find it a bit curious that there's no mention about even a possibility that the A320's nav system may have experienced a glitch. Occam's razor: it's simpler and more believable (at least to me) that two pilots who were negligent enough to fall asleep (or whatever crazy thing they did) were also negligent enough to screw up the nav system set up, or at least leave it in a mode which required manual intervention to continue to the next phase of flight. It's the accent upon the 100+ miles that gets me. In a car world 100+ miles -is- a long way. In an airliner at 400 knots that's 15 minutes. News companies are more interested in getting a story than actually informing people. "150 miles" sounds scarier and gets more eyeballs than "15 minutes", so that's what they print. It's sad, but I don't know how to fix it. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
On Oct 26, 10:12*pm, Mike Ash wrote:
In article , *george wrote: On Oct 26, 11:40*am, Mike Ash wrote: In article , *D Ramapriya wrote: On Oct 24, 8:35*pm, "Aluckyguess" wrote: "Richard" wrote in message I have a hard time texting over 13k feet. they fell asleep. *Im surprised this doesnt happen more often with small aircraft. You engage that auto-pilot and its just so relaxing. Turn on the xm tilt your head back and life is good, no one to bother you ask you for things no you know what your daughter did or can you fix this or that. Nope, just smooth flying across a beautiful country. I'm sure the specifics will emerge over time but I find it a bit curious that there's no mention about even a possibility that the A320's nav system may have experienced a glitch. Occam's razor: it's simpler and more believable (at least to me) that two pilots who were negligent enough to fall asleep (or whatever crazy thing they did) were also negligent enough to screw up the nav system set up, or at least leave it in a mode which required manual intervention to continue to the next phase of flight. It's the accent upon the 100+ miles that gets me. In a car world 100+ miles -is- a long way. In an airliner at 400 knots that's 15 minutes. News companies are more interested in getting a story than actually informing people. "150 miles" sounds scarier and gets more eyeballs than "15 minutes", so that's what they print. It's sad, but I don't know how to fix it. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon Mike, it's been written they were not in contact with center for the order of an hour. Even at 10,000 feet I'm looking for lower 15 or 20 minutes from my ETA for a gradual letdown, and I expect those folks plan their descent better than I do. |
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Airliner crew flies 150 miles past airport
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, a wrote: On Oct 26, 10:12*pm, Mike Ash wrote: In article , *george wrote: On Oct 26, 11:40*am, Mike Ash wrote: In article , *D Ramapriya wrote: On Oct 24, 8:35*pm, "Aluckyguess" wrote: "Richard" wrote in message I have a hard time texting over 13k feet. they fell asleep. *Im surprised this doesnt happen more often with small aircraft. You engage that auto-pilot and its just so relaxing. Turn on the xm tilt your head back and life is good, no one to bother you ask you for things no you know what your daughter did or can you fix this or that. Nope, just smooth flying across a beautiful country. I'm sure the specifics will emerge over time but I find it a bit curious that there's no mention about even a possibility that the A320's nav system may have experienced a glitch. Occam's razor: it's simpler and more believable (at least to me) that two pilots who were negligent enough to fall asleep (or whatever crazy thing they did) were also negligent enough to screw up the nav system set up, or at least leave it in a mode which required manual intervention to continue to the next phase of flight. It's the accent upon the 100+ miles that gets me. In a car world 100+ miles -is- a long way. In an airliner at 400 knots that's 15 minutes. News companies are more interested in getting a story than actually informing people. "150 miles" sounds scarier and gets more eyeballs than "15 minutes", so that's what they print. It's sad, but I don't know how to fix it. Mike, it's been written they were not in contact with center for the order of an hour. Even at 10,000 feet I'm looking for lower 15 or 20 minutes from my ETA for a gradual letdown, and I expect those folks plan their descent better than I do. Yeah, I don't mean to minimize what happened. Ignoring the radios for an hour was extremely bad. It just seems to me that the media focuses on the wrong thing. "Missed the airport by 150 miles" is not a whole lot, and is not the important part of the story. "Out of contact for an hour" is, but you don't see that in the headlines. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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