Did you ever give up on an IR?

I wonder if I have what it takes to get an instrument rating. I can fly
just fine when the air is smooth, but if there's any turbulence I can
last at most two minutes before I have to choose between taking off the
hood or losing my lunch. The general consensus seems to be that this
will go away eventually, but I haven't seen any sign of it.

So to all those pilots out there, how many of you gave up on an IR because
of motion sickness? How many of you started out getting queasy but
eventually got over it?

Also, in case you're tempted to offer your home remedy, I've already
tried the usual tricks, e.g., ginger, light eating, no eating, high-carb
eating, the electric wrist-strap gizmo. Nothing helps.

"No Such User" wrote in message


Also, in case you're tempted to offer your home remedy, I've already
tried the usual tricks, e.g., ginger, light eating, no eating,
high-carb eating, the electric wrist-strap gizmo. Nothing helps.

Have you flown in actual conditions? If so, how did you fare compared to
the hood? My experience has been that flying in actual is easier for me
than flying with the hood.

Is taking Dramamine and similar drugs not an option? I haven't read the
labels, but Dramamine has worked well for family members who are prone to
motion sickness.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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John T wrote:

"No Such User" wrote in message


Also, in case you're tempted to offer your home remedy, I've already
tried the usual tricks, e.g., ginger, light eating, no eating,
high-carb eating, the electric wrist-strap gizmo. Nothing helps.

Have you flown in actual conditions? If so, how did you fare compared to
the hood? My experience has been that flying in actual is easier for me
than flying with the hood.

Is taking Dramamine and similar drugs not an option? I haven't read the
labels, but Dramamine has worked well for family members who are prone to
motion sickness.

It's certainly not an option when you exercising the privileges of your
medical certificate.

Lynn Melrose wrote:

Is taking Dramamine and similar drugs not an option? I haven't read the
labels, but Dramamine has worked well for family members who are prone to
motion sickness.

It's certainly not an option when you exercising the privileges of your
medical certificate.

According to the AOPA medications database, the only motion sickness medicines
that are specifically prohibited are scopolamine and meclizine. You should
check with the AOPA medical hotline or an AME about others.

George Patterson
The actions taken by the New Hampshire Episcopalians (ie. inducting a gay
bishop) are an affront to Christians everywhere. I am just thankful that
the church's founder, Henry VIII, and his wife Catherine of Aragon, and his
wife Anne Boleyn, and his wife Jane Seymour, and his wife Anne of Cleves,
and his wife Katherine Howard, and his wife Catherine Parr are no longer
here to suffer through this assault on traditional Christian marriages.

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George Patterson
The actions taken by the New Hampshire Episcopalians (ie. inducting a
gay
bishop) are an affront to Christians everywhere. I am just thankful
that
the church's founder, Henry VIII, and his wife Catherine of Aragon,
and his
wife Anne Boleyn, and his wife Jane Seymour, and his wife Anne of
Cleves,
and his wife Katherine Howard, and his wife Catherine Parr are no
longer
here to suffer through this assault on traditional Christian
marriages.

Good one.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Lynn Melrose wrote:

Is taking Dramamine and similar drugs not an option? I haven't read the
labels, but Dramamine has worked well for family members who are prone to
motion sickness.

It's certainly not an option when you exercising the privileges of your
medical certificate.

According to the AOPA medications database, the only motion sickness medicines
that are specifically prohibited are scopolamine and meclizine. You should
check with the AOPA medical hotline or an AME about others.

The absence of a drug on AOPA's medications database does not mean that it is safe
to fly while under its effects.

According to the PDR, "Dramamine may cause drowsiness. Be especially cautious
when driving, and when operating machinery." Dramamine 'Less Drowsy' has this same
warning.

FAR 91.17 says, "(a) No person may act or attempt to
act as a pilot crewmember of a civil aircraft…

(3) While using any drug that affects the person's
faculties in any way contrary to safety…"

I opine that operating as pilot in command while taking a drug that lists drowsiness
as a side-effect is contrary to safety.

The FAA says, "Pilots who are susceptible to airsickness should not take the
preventative drugs which are available over the counter or by prescription."
http://www2.faa.gov/fsdo/orl/files/advcir/P874041.TXT

AOPA says, "While pilots should avoid the use of drugs such as Dramamine to combat
motion sickness, there are a number of other options, such as the Relief Band,
manufactured by Woodside Biomedical Inc."
http://www.aopa.org/members/ftmag/ar...m?article=4016 (membership required)

AOPA also says, "Because airsickness can be so uncomfortable, getting back into an
airplane again to accumulate additional experience can be a problem for some. The
most common solution to this situation is to try some anti-motion sickness drugs so
you can experience the stimuli without getting sick, allowing you time to adapt.
These drugs should only be used when flying with an instructor. Never fly alone
while taking any of these drugs, and always try them out beforehand to see if you
have any serious adverse reactions."
http://www.aopa.org/members/ftmag/ar...m?article=2475 (membership required)

Your suggestion to consult your AME was a good one.

Lynn Melrose wrote:

According to the PDR, "Dramamine may cause drowsiness. Be especially cautious
when driving, and when operating machinery." Dramamine 'Less Drowsy' has this same
warning.

The key word in there is "may". Try it. If it makes you drowsy, don't fly when
taking it. If it doesn't produce unpleasant or dangerous side effects when you
take it, go fly.

George Patterson
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned
no other way.

Try several short flights and landing just as soon as you start feeling
queezy. I did all my IR work in Wisconsin, the winter, without a coat, and
with the heat OFF. That was the only way I could get through it. My
instructor froze his ass, but I was fine. Coldness still works for me, any
time I feel the least bit queezy, the heat and my coat go off. It happened
just last week doing rudder excersises in a Super Cub, even though the
outside air temp was 20 degrees, once I got my coat off and the heat off, I
was fine.
--
Jim Burns III

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I wonder if I have what it takes to get an instrument rating. I can fly
just fine when the air is smooth, but if there's any turbulence I can
last at most two minutes before I have to choose between taking off the
hood or losing my lunch. The general consensus seems to be that this
will go away eventually, but I haven't seen any sign of it.

So to all those pilots out there, how many of you gave up on an IR because
of motion sickness? How many of you started out getting queasy but
eventually got over it?

Also, in case you're tempted to offer your home remedy, I've already
tried the usual tricks, e.g., ginger, light eating, no eating, high-carb
eating, the electric wrist-strap gizmo. Nothing helps.

It happened
just last week doing rudder excersises in a Super Cub, even though the
outside air temp was 20 degrees, once I got my coat off and the heat off,
I
was fine.

The REAL issue here is: How the heck did you get your coat off while flying
a Cub?

Last time I was in a Cub, it was pretty tight in there -- and I was wearing
a T-shirt and shorts, with the door off! I can't imagine squirming out of a
coat while airborne...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I was getting some duel, so my instructor flew from the back seat.

Headset off, unzip coat, touch chin to chest, reach straight back over
shoulders and grab the back of your coat, pull the back of your coat up and
forward over your head so now you have your arms still in the sleeves and
are looking at the back of your coat with the collar between your wrists.
Now just pull your arms out of the sleeves and you have the coat in your
lap. Got it? )

Works while driving too, if you can get your wife to hold the wheel

--
Jim Burns III

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It happened
just last week doing rudder excersises in a Super Cub, even though the
outside air temp was 20 degrees, once I got my coat off and the heat
off,
I
was fine.

The REAL issue here is: How the heck did you get your coat off while
flying
a Cub?

Last time I was in a Cub, it was pretty tight in there -- and I was
wearing
a T-shirt and shorts, with the door off! I can't imagine squirming out of
a
coat while airborne...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"