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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:26:46 -0500, Big John wrote:
Chuck Looks like TRON Guy is replacing Juam. Nahh, Jay's OK. If Charles Manson knocks on your front door and says the second floor of your house is a raging inferno, you *are* allowed to sniff the air without being a card-carrying member of Charlie's family. Ron Wanttaja |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On Mar 27, 6:49*pm, Jay Maynard
wrote: On 2008-03-27, Big John wrote: Looks like TRON Guy is replacing Juam. Wrong. I'm no supporter of Zoom Campbell. All I'm doing is saying the Florida tax story's correctness is independent of his credibility, or lack thereof. BTW, if you're the John I'm thinking of, I used to say that I'd listen with respect to anything you said about flying based on your long Air Force career and ignore anything else. Now, I'm not so sure. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) I want someone to explain to me, if this is suddenly such a big deal why is there only one confirmed instance being dicussed. How many more of these have occured ? It amazes me because nothing was mentioned regarding the Sebring event in January. To the best of my knowledge not one person was concerned about the tax man during that show. If you get the EAA Sport Pilot magazine the current issue has a nice aerial photo of the Sebring ramp during the show. No it isn't SnF but there is a ramp full of planes both display and transit. With this in mind think about what is motivating the person stirring this mess. Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:49:05 GMT, Jay Maynard
wrote: On 2008-03-27, Big John wrote: Looks like TRON Guy is replacing Juam. Wrong. I'm no supporter of Zoom Campbell. All I'm doing is saying the Florida tax story's correctness is independent of his credibility, or lack thereof. BTW, if you're the John I'm thinking of, I used to say that I'd listen with respect to anything you said about flying based on your long Air Force career and ignore anything else. Now, I'm not so sure. ******************************************* Tron guy I've been following your activities on for years. Group should read your history there. Also check "Tron Guy" via Google. I'm supprised that Bertie hasn't included you in his rants (sic em Bertie). Big John |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
wrote in message ... On Mar 27, 6:49 pm, Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-03-27, Big John wrote: Looks like TRON Guy is replacing Juam. Wrong. I'm no supporter of Zoom Campbell. All I'm doing is saying the Florida tax story's correctness is independent of his credibility, or lack thereof. BTW, if you're the John I'm thinking of, I used to say that I'd listen with respect to anything you said about flying based on your long Air Force career and ignore anything else. Now, I'm not so sure. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) I want someone to explain to me, if this is suddenly such a big deal why is there only one confirmed instance being dicussed. How many more of these have occured ? It amazes me because nothing was mentioned regarding the Sebring event in January. To the best of my knowledge not one person was concerned about the tax man during that show. If you get the EAA Sport Pilot magazine the current issue has a nice aerial photo of the Sebring ramp during the show. No it isn't SnF but there is a ramp full of planes both display and transit. With this in mind think about what is motivating the person stirring this mess. Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq ---------------new message begins---------- I, for one, can't explain anything to you or to anyone else; but I might suggest the possibility that the case has just finally come to light. As a matter of fact, I don't read most of the news sources for either business news or aviation news--so I can't even make any presumption about who first broke the story. I find it regrettable that several individuals, for whom I have great respect, seem to be blinded to the possibility that this story might be timely and larger than it appears so far--and I can only wait to read/hear whether the situation is widespread and what extenuating circumstances might exist on any side. Peter |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On 2008-03-29, Big John wrote:
I've been following your activities on for years. Group should read your history there. Also check "Tron Guy" via Google. Then you've been getting a very one-sided, deliberately slanted viewpoint that misses being libelous only because of its total lack of believability. Those folks are no more credible than Zoom Campbell. They've been conducting a vendetta against me ever since I shone the light of reality on their blatant attempts to take over the Texas VHF-FM Society. At least they don't damage their own reputations by posting under their real names. I would recommend that anyone who reads their rantings also read the real story at http://www.gangofthree.info . If you're the John I think you are (ex-unlicensed ham?), then you don't have to believe me...just ask Kent. I'm supprised that Bertie hasn't included you in his rants (sic em Bertie). He can go right ahead; I'll never see them. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:37:39 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-27, BobR wrote: What you don't seem to understand or I suspect you just don't give a damn (based on your own motives statement) is that the way the story was presented, it was a direct attempt to do harm to both Sun-N-Fun and indirectly everyone who attends in order to display their products and services. Motives do matter and factual presentation along with credibility also matter. I don't care what Zoom's motives are. The story is what matters. http://www.fata.aero/news.asp?news_id=88&display=yes |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:37:39 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-03-27, BobR wrote: What you don't seem to understand or I suspect you just don't give a damn (based on your own motives statement) is that the way the story was presented, it was a direct attempt to do harm to both Sun-N-Fun and indirectly everyone who attends in order to display their products and services. Motives do matter and factual presentation along with credibility also matter. I don't care what Zoom's motives are. The story is what matters. http://www.fata.aero/news.asp?news_id=88&display=yes So basically he wasn't charged any sales or use tax. That is not what the A.N.N. story claimed. The Cirrus owner simply assumed that the advice he heard over the phone was valid and canceled his plans. |
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Sun n Fun Email Cirrus Owner Tell His Story (was: Cirrus Owner Tell His Story)
On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:28:45 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
http://www.fata.aero/news.asp?news_id=88&display=yes So basically he wasn't charged any sales or use tax. That is not what the A.N.N. story claimed. The Cirrus owner simply assumed that the advice he heard over the phone was valid and canceled his plans. I received this from Sun n' fun which seemingly contradicts the report by the Cirrus owner (link above). March 21, 2008 Sun ¡¦n Fun has recently been made aware of media reports of a ¡§Florida Tax Ripoff¡¨ and the impact this may have on the Sun ¡¦n Fun Fly-In, which opens Tuesday, April 8, and runs through Sunday, April 13. The reports erroneously describe ¡§non (Florida)-resident pilots who have been caught in the FL tax trap¡¨ and who have been ¡§targeted for ¡¥use tax¡¦ by agents of the state¡¦s Department of Revenue . . . despite the fact that the targeted aircraft were not owned or operated by state residents.¡¨ This is inaccurate and misleading. Sun ¡¦n Fun contacted the Florida Department of Revenue and received a definition of the regulation in question. Language within the Florida Tax Code quoted in the media reports clearly indicates this tax affects ONLY those owners who have: Purchased their airplane in another state (outside of Florida) within the past six months but who have the aircraft titled, registered or licensed in Florida and have not paid Florida tax on that airplane. This DOES NOT impact Sun ¡¦n Fun Exhibitors who bring aircraft to Lakeland. It DOES NOT impact aircraft owners whose airplane is more than six months old, which comprises a vast majority of aircraft being flown to Sun ¡¦n Fun. It DOES NOT impact aircraft owners who have owned their airplane more than six months and have it titled, registered or licensed in another state. It DOES NOT impact aircraft owners who have purchased an airplane within the past six months and have it titled, registered or licensed in another state (other than Florida). And it DOES NOT impact aircraft owners who have purchased their airplanes within the past six months in Florida and have paid the appropriate tax. The bottom line is that the Florida Tax Code in question has the capacity to impact a minute number ¡V if any ¡V of the aircraft flying to Lakeland for Sun ¡¦n Fun. More importantly, the Florida Department of Revenue has assured Sun ¡¥n Fun that there will not be any agents assigned to the Fly-In event conducting ¡§ramp checks¡¨ and that out-of-state aircraft flying to Florida for Sun 'n Fun are not subject to the "sales/use" tax as long as the aircraft owner is not trying to avoid taxes owed because he/she is a Florida resident or operates a business in Florida and uses the aircraft for that purpose. We look forward to seeing you at Sun ¡¦n Fun! John Burton President Sun ¡¥n Fun |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:28:45 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
http://www.fata.aero/news.asp?news_id=88&display=yes So basically he wasn't charged any sales or use tax. That is not what the A.N.N. story claimed. The Cirrus owner simply assumed that the advice he heard over the phone was valid and canceled his plans. This Cirrus owner and the Cirrus owner in the OP are not necessarily the same person/plane. Here's FDOT's position paper on the matter. http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/taxes/s...aft_owner.html I don't think there is any argument whatsoever here. Florida sees the aircraft entering Florida as "use" of Florida (air) facilities, not a "sales" tax on the transaction. They clearly state they do ramp checks. Does this mean Sun n Fun attendees are liable for use taxation? Sure does. Does this mean that there is a likelihood they will be taxed? I don't see the likelihood at all. |
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