Buy Glider without looking

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 6:26:52 AM UTC-5, Casey wrote:
Has anyone every sold a glider without the buyer looking at it?

I have my glider listed for sell and the guy is buying without looking at it and sending a cashiers check and arranging shipping....sound familiar.

Casey

Most probably a scam... I got three of those when I was selling my glider.... scam is they send you a check for more than what you ask... then they ask you to refund the "extra" money... by the time their check bounces they are gone with your money... Just ask them to give you their phone number... you'll never hear from them again...

Enrique
KO

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:26:52 AM UTC-6, Casey wrote:
Has anyone every sold a glider without the buyer looking at it?

I have my glider listed for sell and the guy is buying without looking at it and sending a cashiers check and arranging shipping....sound familiar.

Casey

I bought my Libelle out of Germany without seeing it, except for pictures. I wired the owner money and he put the glider on the boat at Bremerhausen. The only glitch was that the bank held onto the money for a few days before actually sending it. The gentleman in Germany did not get his money until the glider was actually loaded on the RoRo boat and out to sea. He was understandably nervous about that. Worked out in the end. That was 18 years ago this month. Still have that Libelle.

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-6, WB wrote:
On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:26:52 AM UTC-6, Casey wrote:
Has anyone every sold a glider without the buyer looking at it?

I have my glider listed for sell and the guy is buying without looking at it and sending a cashiers check and arranging shipping....sound familiar..

Casey

I bought my Libelle out of Germany without seeing it, except for pictures.. I wired the owner money and he put the glider on the boat at Bremerhausen.. The only glitch was that the bank held onto the money for a few days before actually sending it. The gentleman in Germany did not get his money until the glider was actually loaded on the RoRo boat and out to sea. He was understandably nervous about that. Worked out in the end. That was 18 years ago this month. Still have that Libelle.


***Bremerhaven***

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:51:31 PM UTC-8, WB wrote:
On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-6, WB wrote:
On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:26:52 AM UTC-6, Casey wrote:
Has anyone every sold a glider without the buyer looking at it?

I have my glider listed for sell and the guy is buying without looking at it and sending a cashiers check and arranging shipping....sound familiar.

Casey

I bought my Libelle out of Germany without seeing it, except for pictures. I wired the owner money and he put the glider on the boat at Bremerhausen. The only glitch was that the bank held onto the money for a few days before actually sending it. The gentleman in Germany did not get his money until the glider was actually loaded on the RoRo boat and out to sea. He was understandably nervous about that. Worked out in the end. That was 18 years ago this month. Still have that Libelle.


***Bremerhaven***

The process, if EVERYTHING goes right, takes several days for an international transfer, so plan for it. In my case it take 3 separate attempts until we got all the necessary documentation and correct bank routing numbers (they are different for international vs domestic) to the bank. Plus, I was flying long flights out of Ely, NV so each of these missteps took a couple of days to fix. Eventually everything got worked out and the transfer took place.

There are A LOT of moving parts to sale of this type. If someone wants some advice on this they can PM me.

Tom

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Casey wrote:
...the guy is ... sending a cashiers check and arranging shipping...

Just to go all Captain Obvious on this one, the way this scam typically works is that the check is fake, and usually written for an amount greater than the price of the goods. The check looks real enough that the bank accepts the check for deposit. But a day or two later when it turns out that there are no actual funds behind the check, the bank simply (and rightfully) declines to deposit the non-existent money in your account.

The expectation is that you will send them cash or a wire transfer for the overage before you find out the check is fake. They get the goods and the extra money, and you get nothing. For something awkward like a glider, the "shipping arrangements" are often fictional, and all they're after is the money.

--Bob K.

Does the guy exist. Nobody legitimate (at least in the USA, assuming you are in the USA) goes and buys a glider where you can't find out about them. Where they fly/are learning to fly, what club they belong to, who they know you know, profiles on social media, and confirmable things like phone numbers, addresses, etc.

I've both purchased and sold a glider unseen/uninspected (the same glider).

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 10:17:32 AM UTC-8, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Does the guy exist...

Does existence exist?

(Namechecking a philosopher): Well David Hume existed because Monty Python mentioned him in a song. Everything else I am not sure about.... https://youtu.be/PtgKkifJ0Pw

If anyone is truly sure they are being scammed then why not play with the prospective buyer a little. I was selling an item, non gliding related, and suspected I was being scammed. So I told the buyer that the gonculator valve was acting up and would need to be replaced and that also the intermittent relay diode regulator did not work either. Buddy was OK with these and would replace them when he received the item.

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 10:52:01 AM UTC-8, Bob Kuykendall wrote:

Does existence exist?

If existence has feelings, we're sure to get a Pixar movie about it soon.