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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
On Jul 17, 2:58?am, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Walt" wrote in message ps.com... On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really well done stuff. The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong, Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on...... But the show generally has been very good. Walt i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried. stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear turret.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Film researchers are always challenged by that. Saw some HC show the other day that changed out B-17's and B-29's over and over. Walt |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote: "Walt" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really well done stuff. The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong, Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on...... But the show generally has been very good. Walt i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried. stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear turret.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17 could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down on the carrier.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A B-17? Walt |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
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Walt wrote: On Jul 16, 11:08?pm, "Jonathan" wrote: "David E. Powell" wrote in messagenews:1184617727.343322.110040@o61g2000hsh. googlegroups.com... Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really well done stuff. I was stunned the Laffey took all those hits and kept floating. What was it, four kamikazi and three bomb hits? And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch guns' Seems like Hornet had radar guided guns in 1942. From memory (not got "Radar at Sea" to hand) the first ship with radar direction for AA fire was one of the RN 'C' class conversions to an AA cruiser, some time in autumn 1940. By 1941 the sets were going into Sloops. -- Andy Breen ~ Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair) |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
Walt wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote: On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote: ...but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear turret.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17 could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down on the carrier.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A B-17? Walt That's his point. The history channel is run by people who don't give an iota about accuracy. The voice-over will be about one thing, and the visual will be whatever they could find on file. It would be no stretch at all for them to talk about a B-17 while showing a picture of a fighter crashing on a flight deck. (A very impressive crash it was, too.) ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:08:05 -0400, "Jonathan"
wrote: And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch guns I don't quite see how guns could even be guided: maybe aimed with the aid of a director that used radar. They did have fire control radars for five inch guns during WWII. Radar was just coming into use in the late thirtys but progress was rapid. Casady |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:08:05 -0400, "Jonathan" wrote: And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch guns I don't quite see how guns could even be guided: maybe aimed with the aid of a director that used radar. They did have fire control radars for five inch guns during WWII. Radar was just coming into use in the late thirtys but progress was rapid. I suspect that they were referring to two things in their rather misguided description: 1. Radar fire control for aiming the 5" guns 2. Radar-based proximity fuses in the 5" shells -- Nik Simpson |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
On Jul 16, 5:49 pm, Walt wrote:
On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really well done stuff. The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong, Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on...... I agree. The two guys at Pearl Harbor who got up in P-40s also come to mind. Or the WW-One bomber raids/defenses... But the show generally has been very good. I agree again, Walt... Walt David |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
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"David E. Powell" wrote: On Jul 16, 5:49 pm, Walt wrote: On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really well done stuff. The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong, Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on...... I agree. The two guys at Pearl Harbor who got up in P-40s also come to mind. Kenneth Welch and George Taylor. Too bad they didn't interview Phillip Rasmussen before he passed away in 2005, who managed to get in the air with a P-36 and account for one Zero. He was in something of a hurry, still wearing his pajamas at the time. But the show generally has been very good. I agree again, Walt... Walt David |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
On Jul 17, 2:37 pm, "Mike Piacente" wrote:
Yeah, I saw the same show on the Military Channel on the B-17. Advice to everyone: DON'T take any of these shows on weapons or battles as fact. History Channel ran a series called 'Hell's Battlefields' and one episode I saw was on the Battle of Kursk and it was loaded with errors. Since it was on about 3 years ago, I've forgotten most of the errors but two I still remember: while talking about the T-34/76, the film was showing the T-34/85 which didn't become operational until about 9-10 months AFTER Kursk; and the narration said Hitler called off the Zitadelle because the Allies had invaded Sicily on July 10, 1944. NOTICE the date -- ONE YEAR and one day AFTER the actual invasion. I sent the History Channel an e-mail and pointed out all the errors and, surprisingly, the show's producer called me. I told him about the T-34 error and he said "well, most people wouldn't notice things like that," so I said "If you ran a program about automobiles and your narration was talking about Cadillacs and the film showed Pintos, would that be OK?" He said 'No.' Then I told him about the invasion of Sicily date being off by a year and a day and he wanted to know how I could possibly know that date. I told him I've been a military historian for 40 years and read him excerpts from three books about the invasion date and gave him the titles, authors, and publication dates and asked if he'd like more sources. He declined and said that particular error would be fixed. I watched the show again the next two times it was on and the error was still in there. The media doesn't care about accuracy, they're there to entertain. "Ray O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Walt" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really well done stuff. The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong, Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on...... But the show generally has been very good. Walt i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried. stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear turret. On a recent BBC/Discovery channel show I did some flying on, they added the sound a Cessna 152 starting up, to the footage of a spinning turboprop Ron |
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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)
"William Hanson" wrote in message ... Walt wrote: On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote: On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote: ...but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear turret.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17 could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down on the carrier.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A B-17? Walt That's his point. The history channel is run by people who don't give an iota about accuracy. The voice-over will be about one thing, and the visual will be whatever they could find on file. It would be no stretch at all for them to talk about a B-17 while showing a picture of a fighter crashing on a flight deck. (A very impressive crash it was, too.) they always show germans advancing across the russian steppes in high summer while talking about the ardennes. |
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