"Direct when able"

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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ATC has no responsibility for keeping you out of the trees until you reach
their MIA.


They do if they issue vectors while you're below the minimum altitude.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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ATC has no responsibility for keeping you out of the trees until you reach
their MIA.


They do if they issue vectors while you're below the minimum altitude.



They won't issue you vectors below their minimum vectoring altitude. To do
so would be professional suicide.

No Spam

"No Spam" wrote in message
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They won't issue you vectors below their minimum vectoring altitude. To do
so would be professional suicide.


It's done regularly.


FAA Order 7110.65N Air Traffic Control

Chapter 5. Radar

Section 6. Vectoring

5-6-3. VECTORS BELOW MINIMUM ALTITUDE

Except in en route automated environments in areas where more than 3 miles
separation minima is required, you may vector a departing IFR aircraft, or
one executing a missed approach, within 40 miles of the antenna and before
it reaches the minimum altitude for IFR operations if separation from
prominent obstructions shown on the radar scope is applied in accordance
with the following:

a. If the flight path is 3 miles or more from the obstruction and the
aircraft is climbing to an altitude at least 1,000 feet above the
obstruction, vector the aircraft to maintain at least 3 miles separation
from the obstruction until the aircraft reports leaving an altitude above
the obstruction.

b. If the flight path is less than 3 miles from the obstruction, and the
aircraft is climbing to an altitude at least 1,000 feet above the
obstruction, vector the aircraft to increase lateral separation from the
obstruction until the 3 mile minimum is achieved or until the aircraft
reports leaving an altitude above the obstruction.

c. At those locations where diverse vector areas (DVA) have been
established, terminal radar facilities may vector aircraft below the MVA/MIA
within those areas and along those routes described in facility directives.

REFERENCE-
FAAO 7210.3, Establishing Diverse Vector Area/s (DVA), Para 3-9-5.

No Spam wrote:

They won't issue you vectors below their minimum vectoring altitude. To do
so would be professional suicide.

Every vector you get with your takeoff clearance is a vector below the MVA.

As I found it recently by experience, even if you depart a towered airport
in other than Class E or G airspace.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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ATC has no responsibility for keeping you out
of the trees until you reach their MIA.

Bob Gardner