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Glenn Miller International Festival 2004
BBC Three Counties Radio will broadcast a three hour show from the
International Glenn Miller Festival 2004, LIVE from Twinwood Airfield in Bedfordshire, England on Monday 30th August. The show will be streamed live on the internet between 1100 & 1400 GMT at http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties And on 95.5, 103.8, 104.5 & 98 FM or 630 / 1161 MW across the Three Counties |
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Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004
From: (ellay) Date: 8/27/2004 12:05 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: BBC Three Counties Radio will broadcast a three hour show from the International Glenn Miller Festival 2004, LIVE from Twinwood Airfield in Bedfordshire, England on Monday 30th August. The show will be streamed live on the internet between 1100 & 1400 GMT at http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties And on 95.5, 103.8, 104.5 & 98 FM or 630 / 1161 MW across the Three Counties The rumors in the ETO when Glen MIller died was that he was strabbed to death in a bistro in a knife fight over a whore. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004
From: George Ruch Date: 8/27/2004 10:36 AM Glen MIller died was that he was strabbed to death in a bistro in a knife fight over a whore. Rumors, Art? I thought you were above that kind of thing. Well, maybe not, considering the political rant you've been on lately. These rumors were everywhere in the ETO at the time. They are now part of history since the true cause of his death was never etsblished. When it was said he wentt down in the chanell the first question we all asked was who was the pilot?. No answer. which cast suspicion on the whole story. Those of us who routinely flew the channel never believed a word of it. .The "hit by a bomb from above" came later when it was clear nobody was buying that crap. And Miller was seen around Paris around that time. If you don't like what I write don't read it. And since you weren't the so screw off. .. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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In article , ArtKramr
writes Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004 From: George Ruch Date: 8/27/2004 10:36 AM Glen MIller died was that he was strabbed to death in a bistro in a knife fight over a whore. Rumors, Art? I thought you were above that kind of thing. Well, maybe not, considering the political rant you've been on lately. These rumors were everywhere in the ETO at the time. They are now part of history since the true cause of his death was never etsblished. When it was said he wentt down in the chanell the first question we all asked was who was the pilot?. No answer. which cast suspicion on the whole story. Those of us who routinely flew the channel never believed a word of it. .The "hit by a bomb from above" came later when it was clear nobody was buying that crap. And Miller was seen around Paris around that time. If you don't like what I write don't read it. And since you weren't the so screw off. . Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer It was an RAF bomber crew member who said he saw a C-64 Norseman going into the channel when the bombs were jettisoned. The pilot was Flight Officer Morgan, John, R.S. Ser. No. T-190776. The problems you might have with this a (a) the RAF flew sorties, not missions, AFAIK (b) the airman in question might not have been an officer. Research (by people who weren't there at the time) has revealed this as the most likely explanation in many people's opinion. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004
From: Peter Twydell Date: 8/27/2004 3:23 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: In article , ArtKramr writes Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004 From: George Ruch Date: 8/27/2004 10:36 AM Glen MIller died was that he was strabbed to death in a bistro in a knife fight over a whore. Rumors, Art? I thought you were above that kind of thing. Well, maybe not, considering the political rant you've been on lately. These rumors were everywhere in the ETO at the time. They are now part of history since the true cause of his death was never etsblished. When it was said he wentt down in the chanell the first question we all asked was who was the pilot?. No answer. which cast suspicion on the whole story. Those of us who routinely flew the channel never believed a word of it. .The "hit by a bomb from above" came later when it was clear nobody was buying that crap. And Miller was seen around Paris around that time. If you don't like what I write don't read it. And since you weren't the so screw off. . Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer It was an RAF bomber crew member who said he saw a C-64 Norseman going into the channel when the bombs were jettisoned. The pilot was Flight Officer Morgan, John, R.S. Ser. No. T-190776. The problems you might have with this a (a) the RAF flew sorties, not missions, AFAIK (b) the airman in question might not have been an officer. Research (by people who weren't there at the time) ha I rest my case. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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These rumors were everywhere in the ETO at the time. They are now part of
history since the true cause of his death was never etsblished. When it was said he wentt down in the chanell the first question we all asked was who was the pilot?. No answer. The pilot was Johnny Morgan also along was a Colonel Norman Baesell. The aircraft was a Noordyun Norseman UC-64. Miller's second in command Don Haynes put Miller's bag in the plane said goodbye to Miller after he got in the plane and saw the plane take off. This is from Glenn Miller and His Orchestra by George Simon. Whether or not it was hit by a salvoed load of RAF bombs is open to conjecture but the plane left the ground from Twinwood and was never seen again. The weather was horrendous and the Norseman was not a particularly well equipped aircraft for bad weather flying. There are all kinds of rumors. Miller's own brother some time ago came up with the idea of Miller dying of cancer since he was such a heavy smoker of his old sponsor Chesterfield's products. I don't see the Army Air Force deciding to hush up the manner of Miller's death to the point of somehow disposing of his body and telling his family and the world that he was lost in a plane crash. What about Baesell and Morgan? Like all conspiracy theories it just falls apart when you start to add up all the people that had to be in on it for the rest of thier lives. Miller had a tremendous impact on the morale of troops in the ETO but he was not indispensable by any means and all manner of celebraties had already died or been lost. Why would the USAAF waste the time and effort to hush up Miller's death to the point of hiding or disposing of his body in order to claim he was lost over the channel? It would have been easier to write up a press release about a traffic accident and bury him in one of the brand new military cemeteries in Normandy. In the end he was only a band leader and there was still a war to be won. John Dupre' |
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Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004
From: (JDupre5762) Date: 8/27/2004 5:51 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: These rumors were everywhere in the ETO at the time. They are now part of history since the true cause of his death was never etsblished. When it was said he wentt down in the chanell the first question we all asked was who was the pilot?. No answer. The pilot was Johnny Morgan also along was a Colonel Norman Baesell. The aircraft was a Noordyun Norseman UC-64. Miller's second in command Don Haynes put Miller's bag in the plane said goodbye to Miller after he got in the plane and saw the plane take off. This is from Glenn Miller and His Orchestra by George Simon. Whether or not it was hit by a salvoed load of RAF bombs is open to conjecture but the plane left the ground from Twinwood and was never seen again. The weather was horrendous and the Norseman was not a particularly well equipped aircraft for bad weather flying. There are all kinds of rumors. Miller's own brother some time ago came up with the idea of Miller dying of cancer since he was such a heavy smoker of his old sponsor Chesterfield's products. I don't see the Army Air Force deciding to hush up the manner of Miller's death to the point of somehow disposing of his body and telling his family and the world that he was lost in a plane crash. What about Baesell and Morgan? Like all conspiracy theories it just falls apart when you start to add up all the people that had to be in on it for the rest of thier lives. Miller had a tremendous impact on the morale of troops in the ETO but he was not indispensable by any means and all manner of celebraties had already died or been lost. Why would the USAAF waste the time and effort to hush up Miller's death to the point of hiding or disposing of his body in order to claim he was lost over the channel? It would have been easier to write up a press release about a traffic accident and bury him in one of the brand new military cemeteries in Normandy. In the end he was only a band leader and there was still a war to be won. John Dupre' Yeah. I remember that last part. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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In article , ArtKramr
writes Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004 From: Peter Twydell Date: 8/27/2004 3:23 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: In article , ArtKramr writes Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004 From: George Ruch Date: 8/27/2004 10:36 AM Glen MIller died was that he was strabbed to death in a bistro in a knife fight over a whore. Rumors, Art? I thought you were above that kind of thing. Well, maybe not, considering the political rant you've been on lately. These rumors were everywhere in the ETO at the time. They are now part of history since the true cause of his death was never etsblished. When it was said he wentt down in the chanell the first question we all asked was who was the pilot?. No answer. which cast suspicion on the whole story. Those of us who routinely flew the channel never believed a word of it. .The "hit by a bomb from above" came later when it was clear nobody was buying that crap. And Miller was seen around Paris around that time. If you don't like what I write don't read it. And since you weren't the so screw off. . Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer It was an RAF bomber crew member who said he saw a C-64 Norseman going into the channel when the bombs were jettisoned. The pilot was Flight Officer Morgan, John, R.S. Ser. No. T-190776. The problems you might have with this a (a) the RAF flew sorties, not missions, AFAIK (b) the airman in question might not have been an officer. Research (by people who weren't there at the time) ha I rest my case. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer QED -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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(ArtKramr) wrote:
Subject: Glenn Miller International Festival 2004 From: George Ruch Date: 8/27/2004 10:36 AM Glen MIller died was that he was strabbed to death in a bistro in a knife fight over a whore. Rumors, Art? I thought you were above that kind of thing. Well, maybe not, considering the political rant you've been on lately. These rumors were everywhere in the ETO at the time. They are now part of history since the true cause of his death was never etsblished. When it was said he wentt down in the chanell the first question we all asked was who was the pilot?. No answer. which cast suspicion on the whole story. Those of us who routinely flew the channel never believed a word of it. .The "hit by a bomb from above" came later when it was clear nobody was buying that crap. And Miller was seen around Paris around that time. If he died as the rumor says, there would probably be a police report of some kind, witnesses named, etc. Even if the report were classified at the time, it would almost certainly be declassified by now. So, both accounts of his death are unprovable with further factual contemporary evidence. If you don't like what I write don't read it. And since you weren't the so screw off. Ah, abuse - the last refuge of the... well, lets drop that. Good bye, Art. We won't be speaking again for quite a while. | George Ruch | "Is there life in Clovis after Clovis Man?" |
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