[USA] What do you think of the 20 Meter 2 Seat Class?

USA glider pilots, should the 20 Meter 2 Seat Class be included in
World Championships?

See
http://sites.google.com/site/20meter2seat/
for further information.

RS

On Jan 25, 4:34*pm, R S wrote:
USA glider pilots, should the 20 Meter 2 Seat Class be included in
World Championships?

Seehttp://sites.google.com/site/20meter2seat/
for further information.

RS

Yes

On Jan 25, 4:34*pm, R S wrote:
USA glider pilots, should the 20 Meter 2 Seat Class be included in
World Championships?

Seehttp://sites.google.com/site/20meter2seat/
for further information.

RS

Sure as long as you get rid of one from World, Club, Standard, 15M,
18M or Open. It is time to reduce the number of classes at the
international level. You can race anything you want at the national
level, but there should only be about three classes at the world
Level.

Better yet, combine the 18M with a 20M class and make one new class.
Does it really need to state if it is one two, or three seats?

Who is going to support these teams and pay the costs to send seven or
eight teams to the internationals? How many contests do we need to
hold for all the types? What different skills are you showing with
the different classes? Where are you going to find enough qualified
pilots to fly them in the internationals. The US representative to
the Club class will have never finished higher than 7th in a US
Nationals and that was six years ago. Are we really sending our best
pilots or should we be investing in improving or pilots to be able to
do better internationally?

Yes we are stuck in the philosophy that everyone should feel good
about flying their favorite glider. That is fine, we have the US
Sports Class and the international Club class for most of that. We do
not need more classes at the international level. Enough is enough!

From the document:
"... the IGC is asked to consider the option of replacing the World
Class or the future 13,5 m class with the 20 m two seater class,
provided a suitable solution for the WC/13,5 m class can be found."

/Lars

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:41:25 -0800 (PST), lrbj
wrote:

From the document:
"... the IGC is asked to consider the option of replacing the World
Class or the future 13,5 m class with the 20 m two seater class,
provided a suitable solution for the WC/13,5 m class can be found.

Comparing the number of Duo Discus and DG-1000s to the number of
PW-5s, there can only be one solution... get rid of the World class.
The sooner, the better.

On Jan 26, 8:19*pm, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:41:25 -0800 (PST), lrbj

wrote:
From the document:
"... the IGC is asked to consider the option of replacing the World
Class or the future 13,5 m class with the 20 m two seater class,
provided a suitable solution for the WC/13,5 m class can be found.

Comparing the number of Duo Discus and DG-1000s to the number of
PW-5s, there can only be one solution... get rid of the World class.
The sooner, the better.

Andreas,

Is that the plan? Help beautify the world by getting rid of World
Class?

Ray Lovinggood
(And some probably say that getting rid of me would help beautify the
world...)

On Jan 26, 6:46*pm, rlovinggood wrote:
On Jan 26, 8:19*pm, Andreas Maurer wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:41:25 -0800 (PST), lrbj

wrote:
From the document:
"... the IGC is asked to consider the option of replacing the World
Class or the future 13,5 m class with the 20 m two seater class,
provided a suitable solution for the WC/13,5 m class can be found.

Comparing the number of Duo Discus and DG-1000s to the number of
PW-5s, there can only be one solution... get rid of the World class.
The sooner, the better.

Andreas,

Is that the plan? *Help beautify the world by getting rid of World
Class?

Ray Lovinggood
(And some probably say that getting rid of me would help beautify the
world...)

Unfortunately there is probalby not enough interesting stuff in a PW5s
to make them worth grinding up. No carbon fiber. Can you grind up the
PW5 and use it to make fiberglass flock/filler for building bits on
20m class?

Darryl

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:46:25 -0800 (PST), rlovinggood
wrote:


Is that the plan? Help beautify the world by getting rid of World
Class?

Well... I'm pretty sure you agree that a PW-5 doesn't add a lot of
beauty to the world, don't you?

On Jan 26, 8:19*pm, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:41:25 -0800 (PST), lrbj

wrote:
From the document:
"... the IGC is asked to consider the option of replacing the World
Class or the future 13,5 m class with the 20 m two seater class,
provided a suitable solution for the WC/13,5 m class can be found.

Comparing the number of Duo Discus and DG-1000s to the number of
PW-5s, there can only be one solution... get rid of the World class.
The sooner, the better.

Doing the math for you via the FAA database:

Number of registered Pw-5s - 71
Combined number of DuoD and DGs1000 - 47

Not to mention that most Duo and DGs in US are used by money hungry
FBOs and are in-accessible for club folks.

Maybe you should leave at least ONE class that doesn't require
spending 150K with Herr F. or Herr X., or don't cry later about
spending 250 Euro per year to have your bird airworthy...

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:56:51 -0800 (PST), GK wrote:



Number of registered Pw-5s - 71
Combined number of DuoD and DGs1000 - 47

Not to mention that most Duo and DGs in US are used by money hungry
FBOs and are in-accessible for club folks.

Maybe you should leave at least ONE class that doesn't require
spending 150K with Herr F. or Herr X., or don't cry later about
spending 250 Euro per year to have your bird airworthy...


Well..., there are virtually no PW-5s in the countries where gliding
is (still) popular, e.g. Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland,
Netherlands, Great Britain et cetera.

But there are very, very few clubs which don't own a high-performance
double seater like Janus, Duo, DG-505 or DG-1000.

Let's face it: World class is virtually non-existent (and the PW-5 is
out of production, isn't it?). Noone ever wanted it.
Instead people did what everyone had predicted: They bought used
gliders with far superior performance for a lot less money than a PW-5
would have cost.

Have any World class competition you like on your side of the big
pond... but stop calling it "World" class, please.






Bye
Andreas