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Hello community,
imagine you consider byuing an older airplane, e.g. a Piper from the Pa-28 Arrow series: is there an age (or a year of birth ;-) you would not exceed? If yes, for what reason (e.g. may be that corrosion-protection was not usual before that year, or that copper was so expensive, they used something less conductive as a replacement)? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards Kai Glaesner |
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I recently purchased a 69 Piper Arrow. This was after owning a 56 Cessna 172.
So I immediately went from a 48 y/o airplane to a 35 y/o airplane. I have no problems with older aircraft, as long as a prebuy is done, all of the logbooks are in order and make sense. And do your own search for damage. Be leery if the N-number is changed from the original. I looked at one Piper Arrow that was absolutely beautiful. The N-number had been changed and the owner didn't know why. He and his partner bought this aircraft from a broker in Ohio last year. After doing a search on NTSB website, FAA website, and myairplane.com. I found that in the last three years the aircraft had three incidents - 2 gear ups, and 1 off airport landing - all resulting in moderate damage. Be samrt - Be aware - and don't be in a hurry. Good luck. |
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Personally, I would not want to own a plane over 30 years old. Not that
they are unsafe, just that I wouldn't want to have to sell it. I think they get harder to sell when they get a certain age. Also, it seems to go with decades. At this point, a sixties vintage bird just sounds OLD. It conjures up thoughts of antiques rather than used planes. If I you were to buy a plane that was that old, I would think somehting collectible would be best. A V tail Bo, or something that people find nostalgic. Not something that has tens of thousands of copies made after yours left the factory. If you are going to go through the added expense and attention that an older plane should get, don't you desire a certain amount pride for it? Of course thats me, I would just ensure that you are going to be happy, and thats something you know better than I. Having said all this, acquisition costs are not the sort of thing that bug me. If you are less concerned about the upkeep than the price tag or hangar hours, then you may enjoy the older bird more. "Kai Glaesner" wrote in message ... Hello community, imagine you consider byuing an older airplane, e.g. a Piper from the Pa-28 Arrow series: is there an age (or a year of birth ;-) you would not exceed? If yes, for what reason (e.g. may be that corrosion-protection was not usual before that year, or that copper was so expensive, they used something less conductive as a replacement)? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards Kai Glaesner |
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You'd have some pretty hard work convincing me to 'trade up' to a later model
Cherokee Six. I fly a 1965 PA32-260. The useful loads on Cherokee Sixes lost a few pounds every year they were in production, to the point that the new 6x is really a 5 seat airplane (useful load is 150 lbs less than mine). Mine is a young 39 years old though, with only about 3200 TTAF and a fresh overhaul. Dude wrote: Personally, I would not want to own a plane over 30 years old. Not that they are unsafe, just that I wouldn't want to have to sell it. I think they get harder to sell when they get a certain age. Also, it seems to go with decades. At this point, a sixties vintage bird just sounds OLD. It conjures up thoughts of antiques rather than used planes. If I you were to buy a plane that was that old, I would think somehting collectible would be best. A V tail Bo, or something that people find nostalgic. Not something that has tens of thousands of copies made after yours left the factory. If you are going to go through the added expense and attention that an older plane should get, don't you desire a certain amount pride for it? Of course thats me, I would just ensure that you are going to be happy, and thats something you know better than I. Having said all this, acquisition costs are not the sort of thing that bug me. If you are less concerned about the upkeep than the price tag or hangar hours, then you may enjoy the older bird more. "Kai Glaesner" wrote in message ... Hello community, imagine you consider byuing an older airplane, e.g. a Piper from the Pa-28 Arrow series: is there an age (or a year of birth ;-) you would not exceed? If yes, for what reason (e.g. may be that corrosion-protection was not usual before that year, or that copper was so expensive, they used something less conductive as a replacement)? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards Kai Glaesner -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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But our 1964 C172 "maturity" let us park in the Vintage Aircraft parking
at OSH last year. Dude wrote: Personally, I would not want to own a plane over 30 years old. Not that they are unsafe, just that I wouldn't want to have to sell it. -- Remove "2PLANES" to reply. |
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"Dude" wrote in message ...
Personally, I would not want to own a plane over 30 years old. Not that they are unsafe, just that I wouldn't want to have to sell it. Why not? Selling an older airplane is often easier than selling a newer one. Since they tend to be priced lower, there's a larger market for them. I think they get harder to sell when they get a certain age. Also, it seems to go with decades. At this point, a sixties vintage bird just sounds OLD. It conjures up thoughts of antiques rather than used planes. My plane is of a 60s vintage. It's quite a popular model and I don't think I'd have any trouble selling it. Folks with similar planes generally sell them within a few weeks. I've flown a current model('03) of my plane and there is very little real difference between the two. The new bird is slower and carries less load, but is constructed pretty much the same as the 60s version. The major difference is in aquisition price (~$200K difference). If I you were to buy a plane that was that old, I would think somehting collectible would be best. A V tail Bo, or something that people find nostalgic. Not something that has tens of thousands of copies made after yours left the factory. snip Now you're getting into the "harder to sell" category. A popular model also ensures that parts availability will not be a problem and that most mechanics will be familiar with the airplane. These are big pluses when considering the amount of time and expense that will be required to maintain the aircraft. If you are going to go through the added expense and attention that an older plane should get, don't you desire a certain amount pride for it? Of course thats me, I would just ensure that you are going to be happy, and thats something you know better than I. So, those with non-collectible old planes are not proud of them? I'm willing to bet that you are not an airplane owner :-) John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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![]() John Galban wrote: So, those with non-collectible old planes are not proud of them? I'm willing to bet that you are not an airplane owner :-) I'd be more inclined to bet that he doesn't talk to many aircraft owners or hang around airports much. Anyone who's seen someone polishing the bugs off his old Cessna 140 after a flight knows better. George Patterson Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason. |
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![]() "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... John Galban wrote: So, those with non-collectible old planes are not proud of them? I'm willing to bet that you are not an airplane owner :-) I'd be more inclined to bet that he doesn't talk to many aircraft owners or hang around airports much. Anyone who's seen someone polishing the bugs off his old Cessna 140 after a flight knows better. Somehow, the thread that ran recently about how out-of-date the vintage aircraft (pre 90's??) are compared to the new generation (i.e., Cirrus) comes to mind. |
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I hang around airports quite a lot. I run into more renters than owners, as
I rent my plane out. The owners I speak to more often than not have a warbird, aerobatic plane, homebuilt, etc. A Cessna 140 would not fit my description of a common plane which has tens of thousands of newer copies running around. Why? Because at some point, there was so little demand for them that they tended to get parted out. Twenty ears from now, a clean 152 will have the same charm and desirability as a 140 does now. They don't make them anymore. But I would not bet on the curve before that time, nor desire to keep one up in the meantime. Most of the schools here are starting to sell them off cheap because they are not making money and are too much trouble to manage. I don't see many people out taking great care of their 30 plus year old 172's. I see those planes rotting in hangars for lack of care and use, or working out their last days in an FBO. Now, there is a great market for old 172's as rental planes, but the schools are not paying top dollar. There are exceptions, there are a couple 172's that have been fully restored to better than new with cool custom paint jobs. However, if those owners had put the same amount of care into a less commodity type plane, they would be able to recoup more of their value in a sale. While we are making bets, I bet you make quick judgements about people more than you should. "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... John Galban wrote: So, those with non-collectible old planes are not proud of them? I'm willing to bet that you are not an airplane owner :-) I'd be more inclined to bet that he doesn't talk to many aircraft owners or hang around airports much. Anyone who's seen someone polishing the bugs off his old Cessna 140 after a flight knows better. George Patterson Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason. |
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![]() "Dude" wrote in message ... I hang around airports quite a lot. I run into more renters than owners, as I rent my plane out. The owners I speak to more often than not have a warbird, aerobatic plane, homebuilt, etc. A Cessna 140 would not fit my description of a common plane which has tens of thousands of newer copies running around. Why? Because at some point, there was so little demand for them that they tended to get parted out. Twenty ears from now, a clean 152 will have the same charm and desirability as a 140 does now. They don't make them anymore. But I would not bet on the curve before that time, nor desire to keep one up in the meantime. Most of the schools here are starting to sell them off cheap because they are not making money and are too much trouble to manage. I don't see many people out taking great care of their 30 plus year old 172's. I see those planes rotting in hangars for lack of care and use, or working out their last days in an FBO. Now, there is a great market for old 172's as rental planes, but the schools are not paying top dollar. There are exceptions, there are a couple 172's that have been fully restored to better than new with cool custom paint jobs. However, if those owners had put the same amount of care into a less commodity type plane, they would be able to recoup more of their value in a sale. While we are making bets, I bet you make quick judgements about people more than you should. You must hang around some sorry ass airports. |
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