$400,000 for VFR only

This link is interesting.

http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=11635

The story is that in the UK and most of Europe the all glass Cirrus
including the 22 is only suitable for VFR flights only.

Whilst the GPS may be IFR certified in the US, Its not in the UK. also with
DME and ADF it only possible to fly 4 instrument approaches legally in the
UK.

Retrofitting DME and ADF is sure going to spoil a pretty panel.

Maybe Cirrus will have to work out a way around to allow its aircraft to fly
IFR in IMC.

Its a shame really because there are lots of potential Cirrus owners in the
UK and with the depreciation of the dollar effectively paying for the VAT on
import they are could be a good buy.

Its a pretty expensive plane to have sports plane privileges only

cb

"Chris" wrote in message
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This link is interesting.

http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=11635

The story is that in the UK and most of Europe the all glass Cirrus
including the 22 is only suitable for VFR flights only.

Too bad. The reason, of course, is that Europe would rather remain in the
last century rather than open their markets to real competition.

They view laws against unfair trade practices as a weapon to suppress free
trade instead of a tool to encourage it.

Well, that is not the reason.
As I recall right the Cirrus aircraft are not JAA approved as a whole.
If I remember well it has something to do with the stall tests.

And the same works the other way, if a part or plane is JAA approved it
is not automatically FAA approved so no change of using it in the US.

And this is not only related to aircraft(parts).
Buy a used or classic car in the US and try to have it legaly road
going here you have to change at least the seat belts and head- and
tail lights to CE standards.
And then you are lucky, wait if something enviromental pops up :-(
Export a car to the US and you have the same trouble again.

And there are more regions in the world with their own standards and
rules.
It sometimes drives one mad.

-Kees

As I recall right the Cirrus aircraft are not JAA approved as a whole.


The SR20 is, AFAIK.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Oops, didn't do my homework.
-Kees

In a previous article, "C J Campbell" said:
The story is that in the UK and most of Europe the all glass Cirrus
including the 22 is only suitable for VFR flights only.

Too bad. The reason, of course, is that Europe would rather remain in the
last century rather than open their markets to real competition.

They view laws against unfair trade practices as a weapon to suppress free
trade instead of a tool to encourage it.

Why is it that if the JAA refuses to IFR certify a plane that the FAA IFR
certifes, like this all-glass Cirrus, it's "unfair trade practices", but
if the FAA refuses to IFR certify a plane that the JAA *does* certify for
IFR flight, like the Diamond DA-20, it's just "the FAA doesn't have to
take orders from those damn Europeans"?


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
-- Albert Einstein.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
The story is that in the UK and most of Europe the all glass Cirrus
including the 22 is only suitable for VFR flights only.

Too bad. The reason, of course, is that Europe would rather remain in the
last century rather than open their markets to real competition.

They view laws against unfair trade practices as a weapon to suppress
free
trade instead of a tool to encourage it.

Why is it that if the JAA refuses to IFR certify a plane that the FAA IFR
certifes, like this all-glass Cirrus, it's "unfair trade practices", but
if the FAA refuses to IFR certify a plane that the JAA *does* certify for
IFR flight, like the Diamond DA-20, it's just "the FAA doesn't have to
take orders from those damn Europeans"?

No, I think that at root you will still find people trying to stifle
competition with unfair trade practices. I am equally dismayed by the
behavior of the United States in this area.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
The story is that in the UK and most of Europe the all glass Cirrus
including the 22 is only suitable for VFR flights only.

Too bad. The reason, of course, is that Europe would rather remain in the
last century rather than open their markets to real competition.

They view laws against unfair trade practices as a weapon to suppress free
trade instead of a tool to encourage it.

Why is it that if the JAA refuses to IFR certify a plane that the FAA IFR
certifes, like this all-glass Cirrus, it's "unfair trade practices", but
if the FAA refuses to IFR certify a plane that the JAA *does* certify for
IFR flight, like the Diamond DA-20, it's just "the FAA doesn't have to
take orders from those damn Europeans"?

Its mainly about the use of GPS and the lack of appropriate radio nav
instruments for the approaches in Europe. Unlike in the US, ADF and DME is
widely used for instrument approaches and GPS is not allowed as a substitute
because GPS is not certified for IFR. It is only allowed as a supporting aid
so the big fancy 480s and 530s are as much value as a handheld.
Planes made in Europe and certified for IFR flight in Europe will meet US
requirements.

I suppose one of the issues is that VORs, DME and ADF are all controllable
locally, GPS is not.

If the FAA want to allow reliance on a system controlled by the US military
then is it up to them, you cannot expect other countries aviation
authorities to put their reliance on a system controlled by a foreign power.

Chris,

GPS is not allowed as a substitute
because GPS is not certified for IFR.


That statement in its broadness is not true

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Paul,

Why is it that if the JAA refuses to IFR certify a plane that the FAA IFR
certifes, like this all-glass Cirrus, it's "unfair trade practices", but
if the FAA refuses to IFR certify a plane that the JAA *does* certify for
IFR flight, like the Diamond DA-20, it's just "the FAA doesn't have to
take orders from those damn Europeans"?


Huh? The SR20 IS certified, and the DA-20 is NOT IFR-certified anywhere in
the world.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)