Criminal Prosecution for TFR Bust?

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AVflash Volume 9, Number 46a November 10, 2003

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TFRS: WHO ARE THEY REALLY STOPPING?
The FAA is looking at revising its enforcement policy for pilots
who bust TFRs and the Washington ADIZ. Agency officials told a
recent meeting of the GA Coalition that federal security agencies
are not in favor of a flexible system of enforcement that takes
mitigating factors into consideration. In fact, according to EAA's
account of the meeting, the Secret Service initially wanted
criminal charges laid against wayward pilots. Coalition Chairman
Tom Poberezny urged the FAA to adopt a uniform policy that allows
remedial action, counseling and even amnesty for pilots who
mistakenly enter restricted airspace. The meeting attendees were
told that almost 2,800 violations have been recorded so far, about
half of them in the Washington ADIZ and Camp David TFRs.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186022

Criminal prosecution? Under what section of the US Code?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Criminal prosecution? Under what section of the US Code?

Yeh, there no law against stupidity!

In article , "Dave"
wrote:

Criminal prosecution? Under what section of the US Code?

Yeh, there no law against stupidity!

a truth for which many many should be thankful.

--
Bob Noel

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:24:58 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:

Criminal prosecution? Under what section of the US Code?


Patriot Act, Homeland Security Act.
read them and you know your "rights".

#m
--
http://www.declareyourself.com/fyr_candidates.php

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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| On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:24:58 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:
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| Criminal prosecution? Under what section of the US Code?
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| Patriot Act, Homeland Security Act.
| read them and you know your "rights".

Neither the Patriot Act nor the Homeland Security Act authorize prosecution
for violating a TFR or, for that matter, any other FAA regulation.

well.. until the Fed's cough up a printed "readable" chart ..

and the local Fed "information center".. primarily the Flight Service
Stations.. can read and understand the TFR and when it is active..

then.. I don't see how any prosecution could hold water..

I understand one thing for the "permanent" ADIZ / TFR (P-40)

but the pop up TFRs when the President travels.. is even harder to know..
especially when the time period is 0800-1600, but the speech goes long.. the
dinner goes long.. and the Prez does not leave until 1800, thus extending
the TFR.. but no way for the pilot that departed at 1500 from far off, into
the TFR area.. to know.

BT

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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AVflash Volume 9, Number 46a November 10, 2003

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TFRS: WHO ARE THEY REALLY STOPPING?
The FAA is looking at revising its enforcement policy for pilots
who bust TFRs and the Washington ADIZ. Agency officials told a
recent meeting of the GA Coalition that federal security agencies
are not in favor of a flexible system of enforcement that takes
mitigating factors into consideration. In fact, according to EAA's
account of the meeting, the Secret Service initially wanted
criminal charges laid against wayward pilots. Coalition Chairman
Tom Poberezny urged the FAA to adopt a uniform policy that allows
remedial action, counseling and even amnesty for pilots who
mistakenly enter restricted airspace. The meeting attendees were
told that almost 2,800 violations have been recorded so far, about
half of them in the Washington ADIZ and Camp David TFRs.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186022

BTIZ wrote:
well.. until the Fed's cough up a printed "readable" chart ..

and the local Fed "information center".. primarily the Flight Service
Stations.. can read and understand the TFR and when it is active..

then.. I don't see how any prosecution could hold water..



How much water does it really have to hold, under the Patriot Act?

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:27:46 -0800, "BTIZ"
wrote in Message-Id: qgBtb.3217$Ue4.2860@fed1read01:

well.. until the Fed's cough up a printed "readable" chart ..

and the local Fed "information center".. primarily the Flight Service
Stations.. can read and understand the TFR and when it is active..

then.. I don't see how any prosecution could hold water..

With what legal statute would airmen who enter TFRs contrary to NOTAM
be charged?

I understand one thing for the "permanent" ADIZ / TFR (P-40)

but the pop up TFRs when the President travels.. is even harder to know..
especially when the time period is 0800-1600, but the speech goes long.. the
dinner goes long.. and the Prez does not leave until 1800, thus extending
the TFR.. but no way for the pilot that departed at 1500 from far off, into
the TFR area.. to know.

Such ignorant attempts at "security" reveal it's futility. Only the
just are thwarted.

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

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AVflash Volume 9, Number 46a November 10, 2003

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TFRS: WHO ARE THEY REALLY STOPPING?
The FAA is looking at revising its enforcement policy for pilots
who bust TFRs and the Washington ADIZ. Agency officials told a
recent meeting of the GA Coalition that federal security agencies
are not in favor of a flexible system of enforcement that takes
mitigating factors into consideration. In fact, according to EAA's
account of the meeting, the Secret Service initially wanted
criminal charges laid against wayward pilots. Coalition Chairman
Tom Poberezny urged the FAA to adopt a uniform policy that allows
remedial action, counseling and even amnesty for pilots who
mistakenly enter restricted airspace. The meeting attendees were
told that almost 2,800 violations have been recorded so far, about
half of them in the Washington ADIZ and Camp David TFRs.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186022

Maybe it's time to get criminal prosecutions against some officials in
the SS.