Flying Restricted Airspace

If I want to fly in some restricted airspace - nevermind the reason - how is
that done?
The chart says the controlling authority is ZLC Center. That's Salt Lake
ARTCC, right?
So if I'm flying VFR, what do I do?
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"
Any tips?

hj

H.J. wrote:

If I want to fly in some restricted airspace - nevermind the reason - how is
that done?
The chart says the controlling authority is ZLC Center. That's Salt Lake
ARTCC, right?
So if I'm flying VFR, what do I do?
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"

Oh yeah, how do we know you are not a terrorist *smile*.

Or work for a terrorist that doesn't want to fly....

I would suspect the area would be restricted for photo opportunities as
well, so taking snapshots may be one of the reasons for restricted
airspace.

Why else would you want to overfly a restricted area? Inquiring minds
like to know....

Allen

A Lieberman wrote:

H.J. wrote:

If I want to fly in some restricted airspace - nevermind the reason - how is
that done?
The chart says the controlling authority is ZLC Center. That's Salt Lake
ARTCC, right?
So if I'm flying VFR, what do I do?
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"

If you're lucky the chart might even have a frequency to get the green light
through the restricted airspace. But, yes contact the facility responsible for
the airspace at the frequency appropriate for the location/altitude you are at.



Oh yeah, how do we know you are not a terrorist *smile*.

Or work for a terrorist that doesn't want to fly....

I would suspect the area would be restricted for photo opportunities as
well, so taking snapshots may be one of the reasons for restricted
airspace.

Why would you suspect that? If "taking snapshops" was to be avoided, the
airspace would be prohibited, although you'd have to prohibit awfully darn high to
be meaningful in an age with quality telephoto lenses and even satellite
photography. Restricted areas many times are areas where there is a lot of
military training activity and/or parachuting, mortar firing, etc. (MOAs have
activity too but are not restricted). If the danger is not present at the moment,
("not hot") you can often get approval to fly through.

Why else would you want to overfly a restricted area? Inquiring minds
like to know....

Because it lies between Point A & Point B where you are trying to travel?

Jessica Core wrote:

Why would you suspect that? If "taking snapshops" was to be avoided, the
airspace would be prohibited, although you'd have to prohibit awfully darn high to
be meaningful in an age with quality telephoto lenses and even satellite
photography. Restricted areas many times are areas where there is a lot of
military training activity and/or parachuting, mortar firing, etc. (MOAs have
activity too but are not restricted). If the danger is not present at the moment,
("not hot") you can often get approval to fly through.

If the area is restricted and hot ATC will not issue a clearance. Go to
http://hal9000.inetstrat.com/airspace/SpecialUse.htm for special use
airspace. Website also provides the AIM chapters as appropriate.

The restricted airspace I have encountered was a military installation.
I'd suspect that the military may not want planes loitering overhead
when there may be sensitive operations on the ground that may be
subjected to photographs.

Because it lies between Point A & Point B where you are trying to travel?

Most of these restricted areas "may" take you a couple of miles out of
your way. Plan far enough ahead, and maybe a change of 10 degrees in
your heading before getting to the restricted airspace will circumvent
the area and then after passing, adjust the other direction. Really not
that hard to do. Situational awareness is the key.

Allen

A Lieberman wrote:

Jessica Core wrote:

Why would you suspect that? If "taking snapshops" was to be avoided, the
airspace would be prohibited, although you'd have to prohibit awfully darn high to
be meaningful in an age with quality telephoto lenses and even satellite
photography. Restricted areas many times are areas where there is a lot of
military training activity and/or parachuting, mortar firing, etc. (MOAs have
activity too but are not restricted). If the danger is not present at the moment,
("not hot") you can often get approval to fly through.

If the area is restricted and hot ATC will not issue a clearance. Go to
http://hal9000.inetstrat.com/airspace/SpecialUse.htm for special use
airspace. Website also provides the AIM chapters as appropriate.

That's why the chart lists a facility that handles the particular restricted area so you
can call them, find out if its actually currently hot, and get permission to transit the
airspace if available.

The restricted airspace I have encountered was a military installation.
I'd suspect that the military may not want planes loitering overhead
when there may be sensitive operations on the ground that may be
subjected to photographs.

Again, contact the listed facility and give them your intentions. They will tell you if
you can transit that airspace.



Because it lies between Point A & Point B where you are trying to travel?

Most of these restricted areas "may" take you a couple of miles out of
your way.

Or they may be larger.

Plan far enough ahead, and maybe a change of 10 degrees in
your heading before getting to the restricted airspace will circumvent
the area and then after passing, adjust the other direction. Really not
that hard to do. Situational awareness is the key.

Or just call the facility in charge of that airspace to see if you can enter. They are
typically quite nice and polite about it. Really. No need to be afraid of doing this.
Reading the information on the chart and communication is the key.

Let me guess, you live in the Eastern part of the United States, right? If you'd
ever flown out West you'd know how numerous and huge some of the restricted areas
are out there. Flying around them, especially in a 150/152 class airplane, can
literally add hours to a trip.

Most of the R areas, especially the big ones, aren't established for operational
security. Most of them are bombing ranges and the like where they don't want
civilians getting their--tailfeathers shot off. There are execptions, of course,
like the one in Nevada that contains what is popularly known as Area 51 or
"Dreamland". That area is as big as it is partly to give room for strange
aircraft and weapons, but also to keep prying eyes as far away as possible. If
you want an idea just how big a useful presidential TFR or Capital ADIZ would need
to be, take a look at that one. Sorry, I can't remember the number offhand.

On my long solo cross-country I had to change my route because of weather problems
at one of my planned stops. I ended up in Palm Springs and the shortest way home
was through an R area. The FSS briefer told me that I could fly around (not an
option-it was getting late and would be dark before I arrived), wait until the
next day when the area would be "cold", or go straight through at not more than
500 feet AGL. I spent the night at PSP.

The moral: never hesitate to ask if an R area is cold. If it isn't, they'll tell
you and you might save yourself a whole lot of travel time.

Dave Reinhart


A Lieberman wrote:

H.J. wrote:

If I want to fly in some restricted airspace - nevermind the reason - how is
that done?
The chart says the controlling authority is ZLC Center. That's Salt Lake
ARTCC, right?
So if I'm flying VFR, what do I do?
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"

Oh yeah, how do we know you are not a terrorist *smile*.

Or work for a terrorist that doesn't want to fly....

I would suspect the area would be restricted for photo opportunities as
well, so taking snapshots may be one of the reasons for restricted
airspace.

Why else would you want to overfly a restricted area? Inquiring minds
like to know....

Allen

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
...
H.J. wrote:

If I want to fly in some restricted airspace - nevermind the reason -
how is
that done?
The chart says the controlling authority is ZLC Center. That's Salt Lake
ARTCC, right?
So if I'm flying VFR, what do I do?
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt
Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"

Oh yeah, how do we know you are not a terrorist *smile*.

You don't know.


Or work for a terrorist that doesn't want to fly....

I would suspect the area would be restricted for photo opportunities as
well, so taking snapshots may be one of the reasons for restricted
airspace.

Why else would you want to overfly a restricted area? Inquiring minds
like to know....

Allen


If you've ever been flying around SLC, you'd see three things.
1. Class B.
2. Mountains 10000 MSL tall
3. Restricted Airspace.

Basically If something is not #2, then it is #3 or #1
So it's good to get to know the ins and outs of about 50% of my airspace.

"H.J." wrote in message
...
If I want to fly in some restricted airspace - nevermind the reason - how
is
that done?
The chart says the controlling authority is ZLC Center. That's Salt Lake
ARTCC, right?
So if I'm flying VFR, what do I do?
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt
Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"
Any tips?

hj

Wait for a long holiday weekend -- particullary one with a flex-Friday
if the military owner has such a thing. Then ask your friendly ATC sector
controller ( you did already request flight following, didn't you?) for
permission to fly across R123nn, whatever. What you don't want to do is
start orbiting or flying thisaway and thataway. Two things might happen:
(1) you might get a letter you won't like, or (2) the owners will take away
the privledge for the rest of us -- in which case you might get a lot of
letters.
With all that said -- the best thing to do is avoid the restricted area
unless you have more than just a casual reason to go traipsing across. The
military people are pretty understanding and they realize that in somecase
they can save us lots of time and gas,
Now, if you are planning on doodling across Dugway, bad idea. Besides,
they buried all the sheep already.

Casey Wilson wrote:

What you don't want to do is start orbiting or flying thisaway and thataway.

You won't get that with a restricted area. Either they'll tell you "sure, no
problem", assign you a different altitude, or tell you to avoid the area.

George Patterson
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We fly through R airspace all the time.. shortest route between Las Vegas
and Bakersfield Calif, call up the controlling agency, their frequencies are
on the chart.. in this case it's Joshua Approach on the designated frequency
and ask the status of the surrounding MOAs and the Restricted..

Much easier to get clearance on weekends than mid-week, depends on the users
operations.. China Lake NAS, Ft Irwin Army Base or Edwards AFB.. many times
the Ft Irwin areas are hot, or we are told we can transit the northern
ranges, shoot the Gap at Trona to go south of China Lake and then proceed on
west when clear. Many times we will get cleared either through the R space
or "Cleared above 5000AGL.

Some of the R area near Edwards AFB and Ft Irwin Army Base covers the
"Goldstone Communications" center. That is the local "space communications"
for Huston Control and any of the shuttles that may be flying and the
International Space station.. also any far reaching exploring missions that
are out there.. Don't ever expect to get cleared to close to that antenna..
so you don't block their reception.

Keep in mind, the R airspace out here can be the size of some east coast
States. Just one county in Nevada (Clark County, Las Vegas) is the same
square mile acreage as the State of Delaware.

Another reader refers to "Dreamland", that area is R-4808 and R4809, that
area covers the old "Department of Energy Test Site" with the above ground
and below ground nuclear testing of the 1950s and 1960s. Also the new home
of Yucca Mountain where all of the US wants to store the spent fuel from
nuclear reactors into eternity.

Don't ever expect a low altitude clearance over that ground, but on late
night or weekend occasions, a high flyer (Flight Level Flyer) might get
through.

BT

"H.J." wrote in message
...
If I want to fly in some restricted airspace - nevermind the reason - how
is
that done?
The chart says the controlling authority is ZLC Center. That's Salt Lake
ARTCC, right?
So if I'm flying VFR, what do I do?
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt
Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"
Any tips?

hj