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During a recent discussion of pattern entry procedures I mentioned that I
had submitted the question to the O'Hare FSDO. After being forwarded about five times in the FAA beauracracy, my email eventually reached Inspector Sandra Boerman, who responded thursly: The FAA guidance for traffic pattern entry procedures comes from the AIM, AC 90-66A (Recommended Standard Traffic Patterns and Practices for Aeronautical Operations at Airports without Operating Control Towers), and 14 CFR Part 91. Also, there is a video called "Operations at a Non-Towered Airport" by AOPA that is very helpful. 14 CFR Section 91.126 does not prohibit 45 degree pattern entries. When you are on the 45 degree entry, you are not in the traffic pattern; therefore, a right turn to downwind is not violating 91.126. The traffic pattern is upwind, crosswind, downwind, base and final as defined in the AIM. 14 CFR Section 91.126 states that all turns must be made to the left unless the airport displays approved light signals or visual markings indicating that turns should be made to the right. According to the above guidance a 45 degree pattern entry is the recommended procedure for entering a traffic pattern at a non-towered airport. However, for those pilots who choose to execute a straight-in approach, maneuvering for and execution of the approach should be completed so as not to disrupt the flow of arriving and departing traffic. Disruption of the flow of traffic could be consider careless and reckless behavior. |
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"Bill Denton" wrote
When you are on the 45 degree entry, you are not in the traffic pattern; therefore, a right turn to downwind is not violating 91.126. The traffic pattern is upwind, crosswind, downwind, base and final as defined in the AIM. NO FAIR Bill!!! You know that one is prohibited from posting the facts in this newsgroup. Bob Moore |
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![]() "Robert Moore" wrote in message . 6... | "Bill Denton" wrote | | When you are on the 45 degree entry, you are not in the | traffic pattern; therefore, a right turn to downwind is | not violating 91.126. The traffic pattern is upwind, | crosswind, downwind, base and final as defined in the AIM. | | NO FAIR Bill!!! | You know that one is prohibited from posting the facts in | this newsgroup. When have the facts ever settled anything around here? Personally, I think she missed the boat. She should have said that the right turn resulting from a 45 degree entry falls under the "otherwise authorized" clause of the FAR. |
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"Bill Denton" wrote:
14 CFR Section 91.126 does not prohibit 45 degree pattern entries. When you are on the 45 degree entry, you are not in the traffic pattern This is probably true, at least as the "traffic pattern" is defined in the AIM. ; therefore, a right turn to downwind is not violating 91.126. But this does not follow. 91.126 says you have to turn left when "approaching to land," not when you're in the traffic pattern. It sure looks like a pilot flying a 45 leg directly towards the airport runway is "approaching" the airport with the intent "to land." The FSDO's comments are interesting, but certainly not unexpected. They know that the Chief Counsel handles interpreting the FAR's. Unless he tells them otherwise, they can only repeat what the FAA officially recommends (45 entry) and ignore the FAR that "seems" to make that recommendation illegal. Todd Pattist (Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.) ___ Make a commitment to learn something from every flight. Share what you learn. |
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![]() Todd Pattist wrote: But this does not follow. 91.126 says you have to turn left when "approaching to land," not when you're in the traffic pattern. And, once again, the traffic pattern IS the approach at a non-towered field. George Patterson Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...." |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
91.126 says you have to turn left when "approaching to land," not when you're in the traffic pattern. And, once again, the traffic pattern IS the approach at a non-towered field. The traffic pattern may be "the approach," but,a gain, that's not the language in the FAR. It's hard to say that you're not "approaching to land" when you're less than a mile away, your aircraft is headed directly at the runway center, and you're following a prescribed track over the ground that should only be followed by those intending to land. I just find it very hard to conclude that airplanes entering the 45 leg are not "approaching to land," while those who've turned parallel to the runway on downwind are. I just don't see any good distinction. Usually, you're supposed to use the plain words of the FAR, and give those words their most common meaning, when interpreting the FAR. Would you argue the same thing if the FAA did not recommend the 45? Would you make the same distinction if these words were used in some other FAR? The only way out of the plain words that I see is for us or the Chief Counsel to "interpret" the words to mean something other than their ordinary meaning. I suspect that's what the Chief Counsel would do if forced. I've got no problem with that, and I certainly don't think this interesting curiosity should prevent anyone from flying the 45. However, to date, I'm not aware of any interpretation from the Chief Counsel on this issue. Until there is, there's always the chance that he'd adopt the plain meaning interpretation. I suspect that the hot place would freeze over long before anyone would be violated for flying the 45. Todd Pattist (Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.) ___ Make a commitment to learn something from every flight. Share what you learn. |
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![]() To me, "approaching to land" means a plane on final. Otherwise you're approaching to get into the pattern, not to land. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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![]() "Cub Driver" wrote in message ... To me, "approaching to land" means a plane on final. Otherwise you're approaching to get into the pattern, not to land. You fly around the pattern without intending to land? Pretty wierd. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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![]() "Cub Driver" wrote in message ... To me, "approaching to land" means a plane on final. Otherwise you're approaching to get into the pattern, not to land. I don't tend to make any turns on final (of course there are always those who call the "left final" position report after turning from "left base" but I've never understood what they were doing. |
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Cub Driver wrote:
To me, "approaching to land" means a plane on final. Otherwise you're approaching to get into the pattern, not to land. If it only applies to planes on final, then FAR 91.126 says that you can only make left hand turns on final. Of course, if you're making a turn on final, I suppose you're not really on final yet ..... Todd Pattist (Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.) ___ Make a commitment to learn something from every flight. Share what you learn. |
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