New security bulletin

Filed an IFR plan yesterday and got the new McMinnville bulletin. Don't
remember it verbatim, but it's in regard to airspace usage during certain
pro and collegiate sporting events, open assemblies of 30,000 people or
more.

Then it said something about monitoring 121.5 and listening to instructions
if you're intercepted or if you see signal flares. The bulletin says that
if you fail to follow instructions, "force" may be applied.

Meanwhile, flying over the Columbia last week I saw a couple more bulk
freighters coming in. All those stacks of virtually-unscreened shipping
containers...
-c

I got a briefing yesterday for a VFR cross country and noticed the very same
thing about the flares and the possibility for the use of force for
non-compliance.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL
"It's a license to learn."

"gatt" wrote in message
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Filed an IFR plan yesterday and got the new McMinnville bulletin. Don't
remember it verbatim, but it's in regard to airspace usage during certain
pro and collegiate sporting events, open assemblies of 30,000 people or
more.

Then it said something about monitoring 121.5 and listening to
instructions
if you're intercepted or if you see signal flares. The bulletin says that
if you fail to follow instructions, "force" may be applied.

Meanwhile, flying over the Columbia last week I saw a couple more bulk
freighters coming in. All those stacks of virtually-unscreened shipping
containers...
-c

lol can you imagine the public backlash if an f15 blasted someone's c150 out
of the sky. I think this is an election year for you guys, so have no fear I
can't see them shooting anyone down.
"Chris Ehlbeck" wrote in message
.. .
I got a briefing yesterday for a VFR cross country and noticed the very
same
thing about the flares and the possibility for the use of force for
non-compliance.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL
"It's a license to learn."

"gatt" wrote in message
...

Filed an IFR plan yesterday and got the new McMinnville bulletin. Don't
remember it verbatim, but it's in regard to airspace usage during
certain
pro and collegiate sporting events, open assemblies of 30,000 people or
more.

Then it said something about monitoring 121.5 and listening to
instructions
if you're intercepted or if you see signal flares. The bulletin says
that
if you fail to follow instructions, "force" may be applied.

Meanwhile, flying over the Columbia last week I saw a couple more bulk
freighters coming in. All those stacks of virtually-unscreened shipping
containers...
-c

lol can you imagine the public backlash if an f15 blasted someone's c150 out
of the sky.


Yes. I can imagine the newsgroups full of posts complaining about that idiot
pilot and the harm he did to general aviation. I can see the administration
feeding the press the story that this was a huge threat and pumping up what
terrorist damage a small airplane can do, and that there was no time to
consider alternatives (like the cops who shoot somebody who brandishes a toy
gun). I can see this as JUSTIFYING huge TFRs around events, with multple rings
and multple escalations of force for intrusions.

I hope it doesn't come to that, and there is a good chance that it wouldn't.
However, I would not bet on it.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

It would not take long for the fighter's to get there from PDX and to a
fighter a C-150 would be like a target that is standing still.

Hey gatt ever been at the end of runway 28L at PDX near the embassy suites
when a flock or fighters takes off using runway 10R? Talk about going def
every time I see them go I never have my camcorder with me one of these days
ill get video of it.


"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

lol can you imagine the public backlash if an f15 blasted someone's c150
out
of the sky.


Yes. I can imagine the newsgroups full of posts complaining about that
idiot
pilot and the harm he did to general aviation. I can see the
administration
feeding the press the story that this was a huge threat and pumping up
what
terrorist damage a small airplane can do, and that there was no time to
consider alternatives (like the cops who shoot somebody who brandishes a
toy
gun). I can see this as JUSTIFYING huge TFRs around events, with multple
rings
and multple escalations of force for intrusions.

I hope it doesn't come to that, and there is a good chance that it
wouldn't.
However, I would not bet on it.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

It would not take long for the fighter's to get there from PDX

Yes, but we are talking about what peopl would say, not what is or is not true.


Personally, I am generally willing to give the cop the benefit of the
doubt, and I would probably be even more likely to extend it to the
pilot who shot down a plane that didn't follow instructions.


.... which, while maybe reasonable, makes my scenario more likely to succeed.

Jose
--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message news:M8GdnfCL0cmwGVjdRVn-

Hey gatt ever been at the end of runway 28L at PDX near the embassy suites
when a flock or fighters takes off using runway 10R? Talk about going def
every time I see them go I never have my camcorder with me one of these
days
ill get video of it.

Aw, yeah! A friend had a sailboat at the end of Tomahawk Island and had a
great view and earsplitting wakeup call when they departed to the west, but
they didn't depart that direction any time I was out there with video so I
missed it.

There were a pair of EA6Bs about a week or two ago, must have been down from
Washington.

-c

(like the cops who shoot somebody who brandishes a toy
gun).

Personally, I am generally willing to give the cop the benefit of the
doubt, and I would probably be even more likely to extend it to the
pilot who shot down a plane that didn't follow instructions.

(Unless it were a Cub, of course. Anybody who shoots down a Cub
deserves Leavenworth or whatever they give to bad troops these days.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com

what if they took a shot and missed what goes up must come down ware is all
that explosive going to go over a populated area how about the shrapnel from
the poor Cessna that get blow to smithereens. but you know all them people
taking them pansy pills probably think it would be fireworks until shrapnel
started killing people. I could see the headline

National Guard Shoots Down Cessna Killing 60 People It Could Have Been Worse

Photo Of Propeller In the Top of a Car

11:00 News :

Engine Cylinder Falls Though Roof Critically Injuring Elderly Person While
Sleeping Was It Terrorism

This Just In It appears that it will be 61 dead as the QB from Oregon State
dies from a pushrod through the heart

Or

National Guard missile go's astray killing 300 at football game.




"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

lol can you imagine the public backlash if an f15 blasted someone's c150
out
of the sky.


Yes. I can imagine the newsgroups full of posts complaining about that
idiot
pilot and the harm he did to general aviation. I can see the
administration
feeding the press the story that this was a huge threat and pumping up
what
terrorist damage a small airplane can do, and that there was no time to
consider alternatives (like the cops who shoot somebody who brandishes a
toy
gun). I can see this as JUSTIFYING huge TFRs around events, with multple
rings
and multple escalations of force for intrusions.

I hope it doesn't come to that, and there is a good chance that it
wouldn't.
However, I would not bet on it.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

NW_PILOT wrote:

what if they took a shot and missed what goes up must come down ware is all
that explosive going to go over a populated area how about the shrapnel from
the poor Cessna that get blow to smithereens. but you know all them people
taking them pansy pills probably think it would be fireworks until shrapnel
started killing people. I could see the headline

National Guard Shoots Down Cessna Killing 60 People It Could Have Been Worse

Photo Of Propeller In the Top of a Car

11:00 News :

Engine Cylinder Falls Though Roof Critically Injuring Elderly Person While
Sleeping Was It Terrorism

This Just In It appears that it will be 61 dead as the QB from Oregon State
dies from a pushrod through the heart

Or

National Guard missile go's astray killing 300 at football game.

And every one of those events would be used as justification to scrap light aircraft.
Obviously we can't be trusted to use them responsibly.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.