Military Flight Training

If one learns how to fly single engine and multi engine aircraft in the
airforce at a military flight school, does one automatically get a single
engine, multi engine and commercial license upon graduation? Is this valid
for civilian flying after discharge?

"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote

If one learns how to fly single engine and multi engine aircraft in
the airforce at a military flight school, does one automatically get a
single engine, multi engine and commercial license upon graduation?
Is this valid for civilian flying after discharge?

Not automatically, one must present log books at an FAA office
and take the "Military Competency" examination, an FAR test of
about 25 questions. I received my Commercial ASMEL-Instrument
certificate via that route. See FAR 61.73 for more details.

Bob Moore

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
. 7...
"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote

If one learns how to fly single engine and multi engine aircraft in
the airforce at a military flight school, does one automatically get a
single engine, multi engine and commercial license upon graduation?
Is this valid for civilian flying after discharge?

Not automatically, one must present log books at an FAA office
and take the "Military Competency" examination, an FAR test of
about 25 questions. I received my Commercial ASMEL-Instrument
certificate via that route. See FAR 61.73 for more details.

Bob Moore

We didn't need to present any logbooks, and there were 65 of us in my class,
so the FAA came to us and gave us the test on base. I'm guessing the FAA
approved our "logbooks" as a result of the USAF showing them our AF records.
However, we didn't get any single engine tickets since we didn't fly a
single engine aircraft in the USAF UPT I went through. Our pilot/instrument
check was in a T-38 so we took the Commercial AMEL written competency exam
and received a Comm/AMEL -Restricted to Centerline Thrust ticket. Later, I
went back to the local FBO and did some flying in a C-150 and took a Private
ASEL test and flight check for that ticket. Still later, I had to take a
checkride in an Apache to get the center line thrust restriction removed
from the Comm/AMEL ticket. Thank goodness for the GI Bill.

JB

Its another step. Some guys don't bother and then lose out when they
get out. There is a limited number of years you have to request an FAA
certificate based on your military. If you don't do it in those years,
you have to do the whole checkride. In anycase, I think you have to
still take the FAA writen.

-Robert


"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote in message ...
If one learns how to fly single engine and multi engine aircraft in the
airforce at a military flight school, does one automatically get a single
engine, multi engine and commercial license upon graduation? Is this valid
for civilian flying after discharge?

"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote in message ...
If one learns how to fly single engine and multi engine aircraft in the
airforce at a military flight school, does one automatically get a single
engine, multi engine and commercial license upon graduation? Is this valid
for civilian flying after discharge?

No, its not "automatic". An active military pilot has to take a
written test in order to be awarded an equivalent civilian license.
Typically, a newly rated military pilot out of pilot training (USAF)
can take a written FAA test and get a multi-engine commercial license
with instrument rating.
Tim

If one learns how to fly single engine and multi engine aircraft in the
airforce at a military flight school, does one automatically get a single
engine, multi engine and commercial license upon graduation? Is this valid
for civilian flying after discharge?

I think you have to ask for the ticket. If you do a search for George
W. Bush on the FAA site, you will find that he holds a civilian pilot
certificate, but his medical is not current, and his address is
unknown (!).

Wasn't there just recently a post here by an ex-mil pilot who held a
twin-engine rating but not single engine?

Any certificate is valid, once granted. It's the medical you have to
renew. (BFR, etc.)


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Cub Driver wrote:


If one learns how to fly single engine and multi engine aircraft in the
airforce at a military flight school, does one automatically get a single
engine, multi engine and commercial license upon graduation? Is this
valid for civilian flying after discharge?

I think you have to ask for the ticket. If you do a search for George
W. Bush on the FAA site, you will find that he holds a civilian pilot
certificate, but his medical is not current, and his address is
unknown (!).

According to the link below:

http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm

Bush's last physical was in May 1971. He refused to take his next scheduled
physical and was grounded and never flew again in the Air National Guard.

Apparently Bush kept flying after his discharge from the Air National Guard.
If you go about 2/3 of the way down on the link above, it talks about Bush
taking Don Evans of Midland (I assume this is the same Don Evans who is now
Commerce Secretary) up for a spin.

Apparently the ride scared the hell out of both of them. From the
information on the FAA database, it appears that Bush was not current in
his phyisical and form the description of the 1976 piloting, it is apparent
Bush did not have recency of experience.

There is a lot about Bush's flying career that is unknown.


Wasn't there just recently a post here by an ex-mil pilot who held a
twin-engine rating but not single engine?

Any certificate is valid, once granted. It's the medical you have to
renew. (BFR, etc.)


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Bush's last physical was in May 1971. He refused to take his next scheduled
physical and was grounded and never flew again in the Air National Guard.

Wrong, on several accounts.

First, he didn't refuse! Nobody refuses in the military! He didn't
take it because he wasn't in Texas. He *missed* his physical.

Second, the year was 1972.

Third, when he took his last physical in 1973, he was listed as "crew
member on flight status."

The reason he didn't fly a jet fighter in his last two years that the
111th TFS transitioned to a new fighter in 1972. With less than two
years remaining in his hitch, and with a flood of well-trained pilots
released from the Vietnam War, it wasn't worth anyone's time training
him in the new airplane.

www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm

Bush did good. In fact, he did excellent for his first four years in
the Guard, and for a variety of reasons slacked off after that. But he
filled his obligation and a bit more.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Cub Driver wrote:


Bush's last physical was in May 1971. He refused to take his next
scheduled physical and was grounded and never flew again in the Air
National Guard.

Wrong, on several accounts.

First, he didn't refuse! Nobody refuses in the military! He didn't
take it because he wasn't in Texas. He *missed* his physical.

And I suppose you define AWOL as merely taking a vacation.

Second, the year was 1972.

Third, when he took his last physical in 1973, he was listed as "crew
member on flight status."

You seem to have information about his physical that no one else has.
The last one of record was in 1971. Would you care to quote someone other
than yourself.

For a COMPLETE time line AND the regulations that applied at the time I
suggest you read the very COMPLETE AND DOCUMENTED link below:

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

The author accepts comments, corrections and suggestions and you can contact
him at the email address on the web page. If you have information that he
should include or consider, I suggest you do write to him.

There are just too many coincidences which point to the fact that Bush has a
credibility problem to say the least.

This week we learn his pay records for the time he was supposedly pulling
duty in Alabama have suspiciously been destroyed.

The SEC file on him pertaining to his questionable Harken stock sale have
mysteriously been "Lost"

During or prior to his becoming Governor of Texas, his Texas drivers license
and record was expunged and a new license issued. Hint: In Texas your
criminal record is part of your driver record. Need I say more.

I really don't want to turn this into an off topic debate on this newsgroup
so if you have more to say, please contact me at my email address and also
keep me up to date on your correspondance with the author of the web page I
mentioned.

Thanx
Paul - A disabled two tour Vietnam Veteran - AND a non current private
pilot.

You seem to have information about his physical that no one else has.
The last one of record was in 1971. Would you care to quote someone other
than yourself.

It's all in the public record. He took the physical in 1973; it's
shown even on many of the anti-Bush sites. Every statement on
www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm is documented on the internet with
consistent and persuasive evidence, including photocopies of the
relevant documents.

It wasn't difficult to find; Google did it in a morning. Heck, you can
read the stuff even on the hate sites. It's only that their authors
know so little about the military (Bush refused to take a physical!
Bush had to be ordered to take a weekend of training!) and are so
blinded by partisanship that they can't understand what they have
posted.

Bush did good. He did excellent for his first four years; he did okay
for his last two years. He filled his obligation and served honorably
for longer than most of us were in the military. It's sad that the
Democrats are so filled with hate that they have propagate lies about
good men. I have seen that kind of poison on the far right and far
left for many years; it has now become a staple of the mainstream
Democrats. Too bad.

Note how far their hated for Bill Clinton got the Reublicans! Every
hour you spend in the slime is an hour out of your life.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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