Small Sheriff's Departments Using Helicopters

Are any of you guys flying for "small" SOs that have received their
helicopters from the military? How is your program set up? What are pilot
requirements?

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message ...
Are any of you guys flying for "small" SOs that have received their
helicopters from the military? How is your program set up? What are pilot
requirements?

IMHO, as "public use", SOs are not required to abide by FAA
regulations. In fact, pilots do not need to be licensed. However,
I'm not aware of any SO doing this.

On 18 Aug 2003 19:51:13 -0700, (Jim Eli) wrote:

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message ...
Are any of you guys flying for "small" SOs that have received their
helicopters from the military? How is your program set up? What are pilot
requirements?

IMHO, as "public use", SOs are not required to abide by FAA
regulations. In fact, pilots do not need to be licensed. However,
I'm not aware of any SO doing this.

Here comes another one of those "police pilots are not licensed"
threads.

Fact is isnsurance carriers will require a commercial license,
minimum. For liability reasons, no agency would allow a unlicensed
persion to pilot their aircraft. Thats basic common sense . At a
minimum, law enforcement aircraft are maintained to part 91 standards.

(Mr. MD500) wrote in message ...
On 18 Aug 2003 19:51:13 -0700, (Jim Eli) wrote:

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message ...
Are any of you guys flying for "small" SOs that have received their
helicopters from the military? How is your program set up? What are pilot
requirements?

IMHO, as "public use", SOs are not required to abide by FAA
regulations. In fact, pilots do not need to be licensed. However,
I'm not aware of any SO doing this.

Here comes another one of those "police pilots are not licensed"
threads.

Fact is isnsurance carriers will require a commercial license,
minimum. For liability reasons, no agency would allow a unlicensed
persion to pilot their aircraft. Thats basic common sense . At a
minimum, law enforcement aircraft are maintained to part 91 standards.

They don't have to use certificated aircraft, however.

On 20 Aug 2003 22:35:14 -0700, (Ken Sandyeggo) wrote:

(Mr. MD500) wrote in message ...
On 18 Aug 2003 19:51:13 -0700, (Jim Eli) wrote:

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message ...
Are any of you guys flying for "small" SOs that have received their
helicopters from the military? How is your program set up? What are pilot
requirements?

IMHO, as "public use", SOs are not required to abide by FAA
regulations. In fact, pilots do not need to be licensed. However,
I'm not aware of any SO doing this.

Here comes another one of those "police pilots are not licensed"
threads.

Fact is isnsurance carriers will require a commercial license,
minimum. For liability reasons, no agency would allow a unlicensed
persion to pilot their aircraft. Thats basic common sense . At a
minimum, law enforcement aircraft are maintained to part 91 standards.

They don't have to use certificated aircraft, however.

And what is overlooked is because of the high liability issues involving both
city and county goverments, they have the option of becoming self-insured,
courtesy of the state government. So if they insure themselves, who's gonna
complain *if* they don't license their pilots? The waiting game is often used
by city and county governments when someone makes a claim, regardless of how
justified the claim may be. If they can wait you out long enough, you lose the
funding and the will to continue a suit. Happens quite often.
TM

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On 20 Aug 2003 22:35:14 -0700, (Ken Sandyeggo)
wrote:

(Mr. MD500) wrote in message ...
On 18 Aug 2003 19:51:13 -0700, (Jim Eli) wrote:

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message ...
Are any of you guys flying for "small" SOs that have received their
helicopters from the military? How is your program set up? What are pilot
requirements?

IMHO, as "public use", SOs are not required to abide by FAA
regulations. In fact, pilots do not need to be licensed. However,
I'm not aware of any SO doing this.

Here comes another one of those "police pilots are not licensed"
threads.

Fact is isnsurance carriers will require a commercial license,
minimum. For liability reasons, no agency would allow a unlicensed
persion to pilot their aircraft. Thats basic common sense . At a
minimum, law enforcement aircraft are maintained to part 91 standards.

They don't have to use certificated aircraft, however.

But the vast majority do.

"Mr. MD500" wrote in message
...
On 18 Aug 2003 19:51:13 -0700, (Jim Eli) wrote:

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
...
Are any of you guys flying for "small" SOs that have received their
helicopters from the military? How is your program set up? What are
pilot
requirements?

IMHO, as "public use", SOs are not required to abide by FAA
regulations. In fact, pilots do not need to be licensed. However,
I'm not aware of any SO doing this.

Here comes another one of those "police pilots are not licensed"
threads.

Fact is isnsurance carriers will require a commercial license,
minimum. For liability reasons, no agency would allow a unlicensed
persion to pilot their aircraft. Thats basic common sense . At a
minimum, law enforcement aircraft are maintained to part 91 standards.


Since I started the thread, asked the question, and am new around these
parts I hate that I have to do this but the statement that "Fact is
insurance carriers will require a commercial license, minimum." Is not
stopping all agencies.

Here is an example of one with pilots with only Private ratings. They have 2
OH-58s and a Huey and one officer with a commercial ticket.

http://www.acsoaviation.com/crewfram.htm

The police dept here had people flying for 2 years with only a private. I
still think it would be wiser to have professional pilots to worry about the
piloting and let the police worry about the policing. When the pilot starts
being too much of a cop and not enough of a pilot is when things will turn
bad. Here's an article praising the cops for finally getting their commercial
tickets:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...EWS16/10804009
1/-1/ARCHIVES30

Dave
(20hr student pilot)

On 22 Aug 2003 17:52:46 GMT, (Davdirect) wrote:

The police dept here had people flying for 2 years with only a private. I
still think it would be wiser to have professional pilots to worry about the
piloting and let the police worry about the policing. When the pilot starts
being too much of a cop and not enough of a pilot is when things will turn
bad. Here's an article praising the cops for finally getting their commercial
tickets:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...EWS16/10804009
1/-1/ARCHIVES30

Dave
(20hr student pilot)

One of the topics taught at airborne law enforcement seminars is
cockpit management. There is a strict division of duties between the
flight officer & the pilot. The pilots sole mission is the safe
operation of the aircraft.

Then why require the law enforcement training? Wouldn't it be wiser to have an
experienced pilot than to have an experienced cop who has minimal hours? Am I
not getting something?