Harrison Ford Reported Fair After Plane Crash

Venice, California

Another facial scar for Harrison, and a blow to a vintage PT-22. Ford makes
the 6 PM news (as every pilot fears). Even at 72, I would expect him to heal
reasonably quickly and hopefully, fully. Nice job putting it between the
trees. The hearts of the aviation community go out to you.
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VIDEO:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harrison-ford-injured-plane-crash-n318301

Harrison Ford Reported Fair After Plane Crash

BY ANDREW BLANKSTEIN AND HASANI G

Actor Harrison Ford was injured Thursday when a vintage World War II training
plane he was piloting crash landed on a California golf course.

The actor, who was conscious and breathing when rescue crews reached him, was
stabilized and taken to a hospital, where he was in fair to moderate condition,
authorities said. Sources said he sustained cuts to his head. There was no word
on other injuries or what caused the plane to crash about 2:20 p.m. (5:20 p.m.
ET). It appeared he was flying solo.

"We are very thankful that the passenger had [only] very moderate injuries,"
Los Angeles Assistant Fire Chief Patrick Butler said.

The plane clipped some tree branches and crashed on the golf course shortly
after takeoff from Santa Monica Airport, Butler said. An eyewitness, Howard
Teba, an employee at Penmar Golf Course, said he put a blanket under Ford's
hip.

"There was blood all over his face," Teba said. "Two very fine doctors were
treating him, taking good care of him."

Mike Bonin, a Los Angeles City Council member, agreed, telling NBC Los Angeles:
"Thank God that this incident happened on a golf course where there is a
relatively open space."

Bonis has lobbied to close the airport as being inadequate. "This airport is
remarkably close to residential areas and flight schools, which is very
concerning," he said.

An avid flyer of both planes and helicopters, Ford was in a bad crash of a Bell
chopper in 1999 Santa Clara, California. In 2008, he told National Geographic,
"Well, there was a mechanical failure while we were practicing power recovery
autorotations. It was more or less a hard landing. Luckily, I was with another
aviation professional and neither of us was hurt — and both of us are still
flying."

The National Transportation Safety Board said it was sending an investigator.
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Harrison Ford
Plane Crashes
[Update: Control Tower Audio]
3/5/2015 3:15 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF
EXCLUSIVE
0305_harrison_ford_crash_scene_launch_2update_grap hic_red_bar
4:30 PM PT -- We've obtained intense audio of Harrison talking to the Santa
Monica Airport control tower just moments after he'd taken off. Listen ... you
hear him report engine failure and request an emergency return to the airport.

4:41 PM PT -- A witness who was golfing at the time of the crash tells us she
heard the engine sputter ... and watched the plane do a "nose dive straight on
the 8th hole tee box."

The witness adds, "I was one of the first people to run from the hole toward
the plane. 4 to 5 men pulled the pilot out of the plane."
"They got him away from the plane. They were concerned it would catch on fire."
"Two doctors were there – and they had a 1st aid box with them. He was
conscious, talking a little -- a HUGE cut on his head."
The witness tells us the cut was VERY deep -- "A swath of his skin was missing.
There was blood dripping down his face."update_grey_gray_barA small plane
piloted by Harrison Ford has crash-landed at an L.A. golf course ... but we're
told the actor has survived.

TMZ has learned ... Ford was piloting what appears to be a vintage 2-seater
fighter plane Thursday ... when something went wrong and he crashed into Penmar
golf course in Venice, CA.

We're told Ford suffered multiple gashes to his head and was bleeding. Two
doctors who happened to be at the golf course rushed over to treat the actor.
Emergency personnel arrived to the scene a short time later. Ford was
transported to a nearby hospital.

72-year-old Ford is a longtime aviator -- piloting planes and helicopters --
and has crashed multiple times in the past.
Story developing ...
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Between The Trees
CRASHWITE VIDEO:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/harrison-ford-plane-crash_n_6812320.html

Harrison Ford Taken To Hospital After Plane Crash
The Huffington Post | By Jessica Goodman
Email
Posted: 03/05/2015 6:34 pm EST Updated: 2 minutes ago
HARRISON FORD

Harrison Ford was involved in a plane crash near a Los Angeles golf course on
Thursday afternoon, according to multiple reports. CBS News confirmed that Ford
was piloting the the plane, which crashed on Penmar Golf Course in Venice,
California. Ford's rep did not return HuffPost Entertainment's immediate
request for comment.

TMZ was the first to report the news that Ford was taken to the hospital
following the incident. The Los Angeles Fire Department confirmed the plane's
solo occupant was transported to a local hospital and tweeted that he was in
"critical condition." In an updated briefing, however, a representative for the
LAFD said the patient was found in "moderate condition," "conscious,"
"breathing" and outside the plane when the paramedics arrived on the scene. No
other people were injured.

The LAFD released a statement in a series of tweets:

The single-engine aircraft suffered a medium to high impact on the grass at
Penmar Golf Course. Bystanders rendered aid to the conscious and breathing
approximate 70 y/o male pilot prior to firefighters arrival. Firefighters
provided immediate medical aid to the patient who is now described as suffering
fair to moderate injury and being treated at a local hospital.
NBC reported Ford sustained serious injuries, including cuts to his head.
"There was blood all over his face," a Penmar Golf Course employee told NBC
News. An unnamed family member categorized Ford as "fine."

penmar
A photo of Ford's plane, which crashed on Penmar Golf Course on Thursday

Ford is a seasoned pilot, and was reportedly flying a vintage World War II-era
plane.

TMZ posted audio purported to be of Ford communicating with Santa Monica
Airport air traffic control shortly after takeoff. (In the clip, the pilot
reports engine failure and requests an immediate return to the airport.) Fox 11
Los Angeles obtained footage of the plane on the ground as well:

Ford has been involved in multiple plane crashes over the years, most notably
in 2000 when he made a crash landing in his six-passenger plane in Nebraska. In
1999, a helicopter he was piloting crashed in Santa Clarita, California. He
escaped unharmed both times.

This story is developing ...
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http://abc7.com/news/man-injured-in-small-plane-crash-at-penmar-golf-course/546555/
"He was able to speak. He expressed that he was in pain, which was no
surprise," Miller said.

On 6/03/2015 2:30 p.m., Larry Dighera wrote:


Venice, California

Another facial scar for Harrison, and a blow to a vintage PT-22. Ford makes
the 6 PM news (as every pilot fears). Even at 72, I would expect him to heal
reasonably quickly and hopefully, fully. Nice job putting it between the
trees. The hearts of the aviation community go out to you.
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VIDEO:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harrison-ford-injured-plane-crash-n318301

Harrison Ford Reported Fair After Plane Crash

BY ANDREW BLANKSTEIN AND HASANI G

Actor Harrison Ford was injured Thursday when a vintage World War II training
plane he was piloting crash landed on a California golf course.

The actor, who was conscious and breathing when rescue crews reached him, was
stabilized and taken to a hospital, where he was in fair to moderate condition,
authorities said. Sources said he sustained cuts to his head. There was no word
on other injuries or what caused the plane to crash about 2:20 p.m. (5:20 p.m.
ET). It appeared he was flying solo.

"We are very thankful that the passenger had [only] very moderate injuries,"
Los Angeles Assistant Fire Chief Patrick Butler said.

The plane clipped some tree branches and crashed on the golf course shortly
after takeoff from Santa Monica Airport, Butler said. An eyewitness, Howard
Teba, an employee at Penmar Golf Course, said he put a blanket under Ford's
hip.

"There was blood all over his face," Teba said. "Two very fine doctors were
treating him, taking good care of him."

Mike Bonin, a Los Angeles City Council member, agreed, telling NBC Los Angeles:
"Thank God that this incident happened on a golf course where there is a
relatively open space."

Bonis has lobbied to close the airport as being inadequate. "This airport is
remarkably close to residential areas and flight schools, which is very
concerning," he said.

An avid flyer of both planes and helicopters, Ford was in a bad crash of a Bell
chopper in 1999 Santa Clara, California. In 2008, he told National Geographic,
"Well, there was a mechanical failure while we were practicing power recovery
autorotations. It was more or less a hard landing. Luckily, I was with another
aviation professional and neither of us was hurt — and both of us are still
flying."

The National Transportation Safety Board said it was sending an investigator.
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CONTROL TOWER AUDIO:
http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/harrison-ford-plane-crash-landing-golf-course-santa-monica/

Harrison Ford
Plane Crashes
[Update: Control Tower Audio]
3/5/2015 3:15 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF
EXCLUSIVE
0305_harrison_ford_crash_scene_launch_2update_grap hic_red_bar
4:30 PM PT -- We've obtained intense audio of Harrison talking to the Santa
Monica Airport control tower just moments after he'd taken off. Listen ... you
hear him report engine failure and request an emergency return to the airport.

4:41 PM PT -- A witness who was golfing at the time of the crash tells us she
heard the engine sputter ... and watched the plane do a "nose dive straight on
the 8th hole tee box."

The witness adds, "I was one of the first people to run from the hole toward
the plane. 4 to 5 men pulled the pilot out of the plane."
"They got him away from the plane. They were concerned it would catch on fire."
"Two doctors were there – and they had a 1st aid box with them. He was
conscious, talking a little -- a HUGE cut on his head."
The witness tells us the cut was VERY deep -- "A swath of his skin was missing.
There was blood dripping down his face."update_grey_gray_barA small plane
piloted by Harrison Ford has crash-landed at an L.A. golf course ... but we're
told the actor has survived.

TMZ has learned ... Ford was piloting what appears to be a vintage 2-seater
fighter plane Thursday ... when something went wrong and he crashed into Penmar
golf course in Venice, CA.

We're told Ford suffered multiple gashes to his head and was bleeding. Two
doctors who happened to be at the golf course rushed over to treat the actor.
Emergency personnel arrived to the scene a short time later. Ford was
transported to a nearby hospital.

72-year-old Ford is a longtime aviator -- piloting planes and helicopters --
and has crashed multiple times in the past.
Story developing ...
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Between The Trees
CRASHWITE VIDEO:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/harrison-ford-plane-crash_n_6812320.html

Harrison Ford Taken To Hospital After Plane Crash
The Huffington Post | By Jessica Goodman
Email
Posted: 03/05/2015 6:34 pm EST Updated: 2 minutes ago
HARRISON FORD

Harrison Ford was involved in a plane crash near a Los Angeles golf course on
Thursday afternoon, according to multiple reports. CBS News confirmed that Ford
was piloting the the plane, which crashed on Penmar Golf Course in Venice,
California. Ford's rep did not return HuffPost Entertainment's immediate
request for comment.

TMZ was the first to report the news that Ford was taken to the hospital
following the incident. The Los Angeles Fire Department confirmed the plane's
solo occupant was transported to a local hospital and tweeted that he was in
"critical condition." In an updated briefing, however, a representative for the
LAFD said the patient was found in "moderate condition," "conscious,"
"breathing" and outside the plane when the paramedics arrived on the scene. No
other people were injured.

The LAFD released a statement in a series of tweets:

The single-engine aircraft suffered a medium to high impact on the grass at
Penmar Golf Course. Bystanders rendered aid to the conscious and breathing
approximate 70 y/o male pilot prior to firefighters arrival. Firefighters
provided immediate medical aid to the patient who is now described as suffering
fair to moderate injury and being treated at a local hospital.
NBC reported Ford sustained serious injuries, including cuts to his head.
"There was blood all over his face," a Penmar Golf Course employee told NBC
News. An unnamed family member categorized Ford as "fine."

penmar
A photo of Ford's plane, which crashed on Penmar Golf Course on Thursday

Ford is a seasoned pilot, and was reportedly flying a vintage World War II-era
plane.

TMZ posted audio purported to be of Ford communicating with Santa Monica
Airport air traffic control shortly after takeoff. (In the clip, the pilot
reports engine failure and requests an immediate return to the airport.) Fox 11
Los Angeles obtained footage of the plane on the ground as well:

Ford has been involved in multiple plane crashes over the years, most notably
in 2000 when he made a crash landing in his six-passenger plane in Nebraska. In
1999, a helicopter he was piloting crashed in Santa Clarita, California. He
escaped unharmed both times.

This story is developing ...
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http://abc7.com/news/man-injured-in-small-plane-crash-at-penmar-golf-course/546555/
"He was able to speak. He expressed that he was in pain, which was no
surprise," Miller said.



Your media is as bad as ours for reporting real events

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 16:00:14 +1300, george152 wrote:

Your media is as bad as ours for reporting real events

REAL news is hard to find these days. Agreed.

That said, focusing on what is portrayed in live video of the accident scene
and official activities surrounding the crash site, I was surprised by the lack
of visible evidence of a post crash fire or environmental fuel contamination
mitigation activities. This mishap is beginning to smell of fuel exhaustion.
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Aircraft registration he
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=53178.

FAA REGISTRY
N-Number Inquiry Results
N53178 is Assigned
Data Updated each Federal Working Day at Midnight

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 1859 Status Valid
Manufacturer Name RYAN AERONAUTICAL Certificate Issue Date
11/19/2009
Model ST3KR Expiration Date 10/31/2015
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 51533622
MFR Year 1942 Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) A6B792
Type Registration Corporation Fractional Owner NO
Registered Owner
Name MG AVIATION INC
Street 2140 S DUPONT HWY

City CAMDEN State DELAWARE
County KENT Zip Code 19934-1249
Country UNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer AMA/EXPR Classification Standard
Engine Model UNKNOWN ENG Category Normal
A/W Date 06/04/1998

https://www.facebook.com/pages/MG-Aviation-Inc/103414459734919
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Aircraft: RYAN AERONAUTICAL ST3KR (Category: Land, Seats: 2, Weight: Up to
12,499 Pounds, Speed: 105 mph), Engine: AMA/EXPR UNKNOWN ENG (Reciprocating)
N-Number: 53178 , Serial Number: 1859, Year manufactured: 1942, Airworthiness
Date: 06/04/1998
Registrant (Corporation): Mg Aviation Inc, 2140 S Dupont Hwy, Camden, DE 19934

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_ST
T. Claude Ryan was the founder of the Ryan Aeronautical Company, the second
incarnation of a company with this name, and the fourth company with which he
had been involved to bear his name[1] (the first, Ryan Airlines, was the
manufacturer of the Ryan NYP, more famously known as the Spirit of St. Louis).
He began the development of the ST (for "Sport Trainer", and also known as
S-T), the first design of the company, in 1933.[2]

The ST featured two open cockpits in tandem in a metal semi-monocoque fuselage
of two main frames - one steel, the other half of steel and half of aluminium
alloy (alclad) - to take the loads from the wing spars and six more alclad
frames; and alclad skin.[3] It had wings in three sections of hybrid
construction; the center section integral with the fuselage had tubular steel
spars, the front spar a simple tube with an external brace to the upper
fuselage, and the rear spar in the form of a parallel chord truss.[3] The two
outer wing panels had wooden spars and alclad ribs, with diagonal rods bracing
the wings internally. Alclad sheet was used to form the leading edges, and
fabric covered the whole structure. When attached, the outer wings were braced
with flying wires to the fixed conventional landing gear and landing wires to
the upper fuselage.[3]

Five STs were built[4] before the follow-on ST-A (A for Aerobatic) was
developed with a more powerful engine. A single ST-B was produced, this being
an ST-A with only one seat and an extra fuel tank where the front cockpit
normally was; this aircraft was subsequently converted back to ST-A
standard.[5] The ST-A was further developed as the ST-A Special, with an engine
of increased power.

In 1937 the ST-A Special was developed into a military version, the STM (also
ST-M) series. Changes included wider cockpits to enable military pilots to
enter and exit while wearing parachutes, and provision for a machine gun on
some examples.[4] Variants in the series included the STM-2P single-seat
version armed with a machine gun delivered to Nationalist China; and the
STM-S2, which could be fitted with landing gear or with EDO Model 1965
floats.[3][6]

After the ST-M came the ST-3, a substantial redesign in 1941 partly brought
about by the unreliability of the Menasco engines fitted to STs to that point.
The United States Army Air Corps (USAAC) had purchased several dozen ST-M
variants under various designations and had Ryan Aeronautical re-engine most
with Kinner R-440 radial engines.[4][7] The USAAC found the modification to be
beneficial and asked Ryan Aeronautical to design a variant with this engine as
standard, and with airframe modifications considered desirable from in-service
experience. The ST-3 that resulted featured a longer and more circular wider
fuselage, this being suggested by the circular radial engine. Other changes
included a revised rudder, balanced ailerons and elevators, and strengthened
main landing gear with the legs spaced further apart. The streamlining spats
covering the mainwheels, found on ST series aircraft to that point, were
deleted as well.[1] The ST-3 served as the basis for military versions ordered
by the USAAC and the United States Navy (USN).[4][8]

The ST-3 gave rise to another model developed in 1941 and early 1942, this was
the ST-3KR (for Kinner Radial). The ST-3KR had a more powerful Kinner R-5
engine fitted and became the definitive model; more than 1,000 military
versions were built during World War II as PT-22 Recruits.[4] The final variant
was the ST-4, which was a version of the ST-3 with a wooden fuselage, developed
in case a shortage of "strategic materials" (i.e. of metal) developed. Such a
shortage did not eventuate and the ST-4 was not put into mass-production.[4]

Some U.S. Navy versions of the ST-3, the NR-1, were converted to specialized
ground trainers to teach cadets how to taxi aircraft when on the ground or
after landing, and especially in crosswinds. The main wing was clipped back to
the landing gear; a small nose wheel added to prevent ground loops; a roll cage
between cockpits to protect the pilot and cadet; and the throttle modified so
the engine could not go over a certain RPM.[9]

The first Ryan ST flew for the first time on 8 June 1934[1] and production
began the following year, when nine aircraft were delivered.[7] Except for 1937
(when 46 aircraft were built), production rates remained low for several years,
at about one aircraft every two weeks. This changed in 1940 when deliveries to
military forces began in earnest; production that year was just under three
aircraft per week.[7] Total production of civil and military aircraft prior to
the entry of the United States into World War II amounted to 315.[7][10]
Another 1,253 military versions were produced in 1942 and 1943, for a total of
1,568 aircraft of all models.[11] ...
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Harrison Ford ‘battered but OK’ after crashing plane on Venice golf course

A small plane lies where it crash-landed on Penmar Golf Course in the Venice
area of Los Angeles on Thursday, March 5, 2015. The course is near the Santa
Monica Municipal Airport, just west of a runway. According to media reports,
Harrison Ford was piloting the aircraft, which the NTSB said is a Ryan
Aeronautical ST3KR, a World War II-era aircraft. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)
By City News Service
POSTED: 03/06/15, 6:42 AM PST | 0 COMMENTS
LOS ANGELES - “Battered, but OK,” actor Harrison Ford was hospitalized today
with injuries he suffered when the World War II-era single- engine plane he was
piloting lost power and crashed on a Venice golf course shortly after takeoff
from Santa Monica Airport.

The single-engine plane, identified by the National Transportation Safety Board
as a Ryan Aeronautical ST3KR -- an aircraft built in the 1930s and used to
train military pilots from the United States and other countries -- went down
about 2:25 p.m. Thursday on a fairway at Penmar Golf Course at 1233 Rose
Avenue, said Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman Erik Scott. Area residents
said this was the second time in recent years that a plane crashed at Penmar, a
9-hole Los Angeles city course.

Scott said there was only one person aboard the plane. Authorities initially
declined to identify the pilot, saying only it was a man in his 70s who was
conscious and alert when he was treated by paramedics at the scene.

LAFD Assistant Chief Patrick Butler said the pilot was outside the plane when
crews arrived and was taken to a hospital, having suffered “moderate” trauma.

“Normally, the outcomes are fatalities, so we are very thankful,” he said.

Ford’s publicist said in a statement quoted by the Los Angeles Times that the
72-year-old actor is banged up, but his injuries are not life- threatening and
he’s expected to make a full recovery.

Ford’s son, Ben Ford, posted on his Twitter page that his father was “OK.
Battered, but OK!”

“He is every bit the man you would think he is,” Ben Ford wrote. “He is an
incredibly strong man. Thank you for all your thoughts and good vibes for my
dad.”

Dr. Sanjay Khurana, a spinal surgeon who had been playing golf, told reporters
he saw the plane clip a tree before coming down. He said he and others examined
the pilot, who had suffered soft-tissue injuries, made sure he was stable and
helped him out of the plane.

“We believe that he is going to survive,” NTSB Investigator Patrick Jones said
at the scene.

The airplane landed right-side up and was largely intact, and it left gouges on
the fairway.

Ford had just taken off, experienced engine trouble and was circling back to
the airport when he crash-landed on the golf course, according to the NTSB,
which is investigating the crash along with the Federal Aviation
Administration. Such investigations typically takes two months, with a final
report ready in about a year, Jones said.

“We go back to the basics. The initial report was a loss of engine power. We
are going to look at that but we are going to look at it all, at everything --
weather, man, the machine,” Jones said, adding that the aircraft will be
removed from the golf course today.

Ford, a longtime aviation enthusiast who has even piloted helicopters in
search-and-rescue situations and who owns several aircraft, is active with the
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association and the Experimental Aircraft
Association.

He crashed a helicopter in the Lake Piru area near Santa Clarita during a
training flight in 1999, and a six-passenger plane he was piloting in 2000 was
hit by wind shear and crash-landed in Lincoln, Nebraska. He and his passenger
emerged from that crash unhurt.

The plane that crashed Thursday is registered to MG Aviation Inc. of Camden,
Delaware, according to the FAA’s online aircraft registry.

Thursday’s crash is likely to reinvigorate the debate over the future of Santa
Monica Airport. Residents and some city officials have been pushing to close
the airport, citing noise and safety issues. Federal authorities have insisted,
however, that the city is required to keep it open.

Ford has allied himself with the effort to preserve the airport, contributing
almost $26,000 to the campaign for a pro-airport ballot measure that went down
to defeat in November, The Times reported.

Valerie Davidson, who has lived in Santa Monica for 25 years, told the
newspaper that Ford “flies in and out of here all the time. He’s not a friend
of the residents of this neighbor hood,” the 55-year-old Davidson, who lives
one street away from Thursday’s crash site, told The Times.

“I’m pleased he’s OK ... but this might be a wake-up call,” she said.

Last year, Ford was seriously injured, suffering a broken leg on the set of
“Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” delaying filming on the much- anticipated
sequel. He is best known for playing Han Solo in three “Star Wars” movies and
Indiana Jones in “Raiders of the Lost Ark” and its sequels.

On 7/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 16:00:14 +1300, george152 wrote:

Your media is as bad as ours for reporting real events

REAL news is hard to find these days. Agreed.

That said, focusing on what is portrayed in live video of the accident scene
and official activities surrounding the crash site, I was surprised by the lack
of visible evidence of a post crash fire or environmental fuel contamination
mitigation activities. This mishap is beginning to smell of fuel exhaustion.
Yup.
We had a saying that no matter what there was always sufficient fuel to
get to the scene of the accident

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-6, george wrote:
On 7/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 16:00:14 +1300, george152 wrote:

Your media is as bad as ours for reporting real events

REAL news is hard to find these days. Agreed.

That said, focusing on what is portrayed in live video of the accident scene
and official activities surrounding the crash site, I was surprised by the lack
of visible evidence of a post crash fire or environmental fuel contamination
mitigation activities. This mishap is beginning to smell of fuel exhaustion.
Yup.
We had a saying that no matter what there was always sufficient fuel to
get to the scene of the accident

Next time have c3p0 change the air filter. Chewbacca's fur sheds in the spring

Too bad the citizens of the City of LA in adjoining Venice have no say in the airport's operations.

On 6/03/2015 12:30 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:

Bonis has lobbied to close the airport as being inadequate. "This airport is
remarkably close to residential areas and flight schools, which is very
concerning," he said.


Yes, having an airport near to flight schools - how irresponsible.

0305_harrison_ford_crash_scene_launch_2update_grap hic_red_bar
4:30 PM PT -- We've obtained intense audio of Harrison talking to the Santa
Monica Airport control tower just moments after he'd taken off. Listen ... you
hear him report engine failure and request an emergency return to the airport.

4:41 PM PT -- A witness who was golfing at the time of the crash tells us she
heard the engine sputter ... and watched the plane do a "nose dive straight on
the 8th hole tee box."

Considering



the golf course is to the south west of the runway. If Ford took off on
runway 3, then he had no reason to fly so far downwind before landing.
If he took off on runway 21, then he was clearly much too low to have
had any chance of returning to the runway.

Another attempt to make the impossible turn? He's lucky to be alive.

Sylvia.

On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 7:29:43 PM UTC-6, Larry Dighera wrote:

"Two doctors were there - and they had a 1st aid box with them. He was
conscious, talking a little -- a HUGE cut on his head."

I hope the Docs bill for the house call. Too bad their golf day was ruined.

72-year-old Ford is a longtime aviator -- piloting planes and helicopters

Is Hons Solo on Medicare ??

On 6/03/2015 12:30 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:

Bonis has lobbied to close the airport as being inadequate. "This airport is
remarkably close to residential areas and flight schools, which is very
concerning," he said.


Yes, fancy building an airport in the middle of a residential area.

Oh, that's right, they didn't.

I'm amazed that they were able to sell new houses close to an airport
under the extended runway centreline. Presumably people only start to
worry about things after they've moved in.

Who allowed them to be built there?

Sylvia.

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:45:16 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/03/2015 12:30 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:

Bonis has lobbied to close the airport as being inadequate. "This airport is
remarkably close to residential areas and flight schools, which is very
concerning," he said.


Yes, fancy building an airport in the middle of a residential area.

Oh, that's right, they didn't.

I'm amazed that they were able to sell new houses close to an airport
under the extended runway centreline. Presumably people only start to
worry about things after they've moved in.

Who allowed them to be built there?

Sylvia.

Lets see, the Mexicans took the land from the Indians. The US fought the Mexis and then sold off California in chunks. The Feds got the airport land from the City of SM during WW-2 and afterwards returned it. Douglas Aviation moved to Long Beach and SMO became a playpen for millionaires.

Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/03/2015 12:30 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:

Bonis has lobbied to close the airport as being inadequate. "This airport is
remarkably close to residential areas and flight schools, which is very
concerning," he said.


Yes, fancy building an airport in the middle of a residential area.

Oh, that's right, they didn't.

The airport has been there for over 90 years.

I'm amazed that they were able to sell new houses close to an airport
under the extended runway centreline. Presumably people only start to
worry about things after they've moved in.

Who allowed them to be built there?

Same as everywhere else; local politicans bought in some form or other
by local developers.


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Jim Pennino