Are there any motorgliders that can be logged as complex time?

Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:55:07 PM UTC-5, Greg Delp wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)

It would appear that a motor glider is indeed an airplane by the definitions.

Sec. 1.1 -- General definitions.

Airplane means an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-8, PGS wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:55:07 PM UTC-5, Greg Delp wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)

It would appear that a motor glider is indeed an airplane by the definitions.

Sec. 1.1 -- General definitions.

Airplane means an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.

What nonsense. A motorglider is registered as type glider, not an airplane.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 3:00:04 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-8, PGS wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:55:07 PM UTC-5, Greg Delp wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)

It would appear that a motor glider is indeed an airplane by the definitions.

Sec. 1.1 -- General definitions.

Airplane means an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.

What nonsense. A motorglider is registered as type glider, not an airplane.

Yes, the FARs are full of "nonsense", what's your point? 61.129 does not say "type", it says airplane. The definition of airplane, according to the FARs is as mentioned above.

Let us know how this works out for you.

On 12/22/2015 1:15 PM, PGS wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 3:00:04 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-8, PGS wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:55:07 PM UTC-5, Greg Delp wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK
It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)
It would appear that a motor glider is indeed an airplane by the definitions.

Sec. 1.1 -- General definitions.

Airplane means an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.
What nonsense. A motorglider is registered as type glider, not an airplane.
Yes, the FARs are full of "nonsense", what's your point? 61.129 does not say "type", it says airplane. The definition of airplane, according to the FARs is as mentioned above.


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Dan, 5J

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 11:46:14 AM UTC-8, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

Glider CHECK
Airplane NOT CHECK

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:58:10 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 11:46:14 AM UTC-8, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

Glider CHECK
Airplane NOT CHECK

I suppose that makes sense. I just got the notion after helping a friend with the motor brake on his Grob 103. It sounded pretty "complex" to operate while in-flight

To expand on Darryl's accurate observations, there are two terms unfortunately often confused and mistakenly used interchangeably by some who have not analyzed the FARs correctly.

There are AIRPLANES and there are AIRCRAFT. These two words look like they should mean the same thing, but they do not. Balloons, gliders, hang gliders, ultralights, hang gliders and a host of other things are AIRCRAFT.

Boeing 787s, Beech Bonanzas, Cirrus 22s, Gulfstream 650s, Cessna Citations and all the other similar flying machines are AIRPLANES.

You cannot get an AIRPLANE rating in an AIRCRAFT.

Although there is a particularly confusing exception involving a turbojet powered two-seat glider (Aircraft) being stuffed into an Airplane category.

I have a Private Pilot Certificate (Glider), but I also have a turbojet rating in Bob Carlton's BonusJet glider (www.desertaerospace.com). Right now, I think I am the only pilot in the world with a turbojet type rating, but no power certificate. I have the certificate in my pocket, but the FAA is still scratching its collective head trying to figure out how this is possible.

It's simple. We read their regulations better than they wrote them.

When I took my DPE training at the FAA, one of the instructors was fond of saying "it doesn't have to be fair, it doesn't have to make sense, it doesn't have to be right, But it's the regulation"