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I am still using sealed lead-acid (SLA) batteries, because they are cheap and give good service for several years in my experience. The power needed in my glider is modest so even on a long flight the battery does not get fully discharged, that lengthens its life. I take the battery home when I am done flying, charge it, and keep it in moderate temperatures.
Last summer I kept a spare battery in the glider trailer, in case I forget to bring a battery to the airport when I go there to fly. At the end of the season I tested the charge capacity of that spare battery along with my other ones and some owned by our club. I found that the battery that was stored in the trailer was pretty much useless, even though it was good before that summer, and not that old. It held much less charge than some much older batteries that I have. It was never used during the summer, and its voltage held up, but measured capacity (amp-hours) was reduced to a fraction of 1 AH by the fall. Also, some club batteries that were perhaps left in the club gliders for weeks on end lost most of their charge capacity, despite being less than 2 years old. The latter may be due to being left in an uncharged state for a while, I don't know, since the club does not keep battery charging records. But it could also be due to the hot summer temperatures in the glider cockpits, whether tied out or in the trailer? Not Arizona-hot, but even in Vermont on sunny summer days the temperature inside a glider on the ground can reach well above 100 degrees F. So, is it useless to store a spare SLA battery in the trailer? |
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On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 3:22:22 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I am still using sealed lead-acid (SLA) batteries, because they are cheap and give good service for several years in my experience. The power needed in my glider is modest so even on a long flight the battery does not get fully discharged, that lengthens its life. I take the battery home when I am done flying, charge it, and keep it in moderate temperatures. Last summer I kept a spare battery in the glider trailer, in case I forget to bring a battery to the airport when I go there to fly. At the end of the season I tested the charge capacity of that spare battery along with my other ones and some owned by our club. I found that the battery that was stored in the trailer was pretty much useless, even though it was good before that summer, and not that old. It held much less charge than some much older batteries that I have. It was never used during the summer, and its voltage held up, but measured capacity (amp-hours) was reduced to a fraction of 1 AH by the fall. Also, some club batteries that were perhaps left in the club gliders for weeks on end lost most of their charge capacity, despite being less than 2 years old. The latter may be due to being left in an uncharged state for a while, I don't know, since the club does not keep battery charging records.. But it could also be due to the hot summer temperatures in the glider cockpits, whether tied out or in the trailer? Not Arizona-hot, but even in Vermont on sunny summer days the temperature inside a glider on the ground can reach well above 100 degrees F. So, is it useless to store a spare SLA battery in the trailer? Google "Battery Care and Maintenance Darryl Ramm Pasco 2006" - it's a .pdf file. It is an excellent summary. Short answer - yes. |
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:00:39 -0800, Dan Daly wrote:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 3:22:22 PM UTC-5, wrote: I am still using sealed lead-acid (SLA) batteries, because they are cheap and give good service for several years in my experience. The power needed in my glider is modest so even on a long flight the battery does not get fully discharged, that lengthens its life. I take the battery home when I am done flying, charge it, and keep it in moderate temperatures. Last summer I kept a spare battery in the glider trailer, in case I forget to bring a battery to the airport when I go there to fly. At the end of the season I tested the charge capacity of that spare battery along with my other ones and some owned by our club. I found that the battery that was stored in the trailer was pretty much useless, even though it was good before that summer, and not that old. It held much less charge than some much older batteries that I have. It was never used during the summer, and its voltage held up, but measured capacity (amp-hours) was reduced to a fraction of 1 AH by the fall. Also, some club batteries that were perhaps left in the club gliders for weeks on end lost most of their charge capacity, despite being less than 2 years old. The latter may be due to being left in an uncharged state for a while, I don't know, since the club does not keep battery charging records. But it could also be due to the hot summer temperatures in the glider cockpits, whether tied out or in the trailer? Not Arizona-hot, but even in Vermont on sunny summer days the temperature inside a glider on the ground can reach well above 100 degrees F. So, is it useless to store a spare SLA battery in the trailer? Google "Battery Care and Maintenance Darryl Ramm Pasco 2006" - it's a .pdf file. It is an excellent summary. Short answer - yes. My club's batteries are kept in a cupboard in the club house/office building when not in use. At the end of a day's flying they are taken out of the gliders and connected to a multi-stage charger (we have one for each battery) so they are back on charge charge shortly after flying has ended and remain there, on float mode, until their next use. I do something similar: I have a pair of chargers (one for each flight battery). I keep my batteries at home, putting them on change as soon as I get home and taking them off charge when the charger shows its in 'float' mode - that may be later that evening or next morning. They are left in a fully charged state in my indoor workshop until next time I fly. FWIW I'm still using Yasa NP12-7 SLA batteries. Yuasa are the most reliable brand I've found (much better than uniRoss) and their price is reasonable. I run a charge-discharge-recharge cycle in each battery when I first get a new battery and repeat it once a year, replacing them as they drop below around 60% of nominal capacity. For Yuasa batteries that is generally after 3-4 years service, though recently I've had one or two that failed on their 12 month check - I think a lot are now made in China rather than at their factory in Gunma Prefecture, Japan. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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All secondary batteries (rechargeable) self-discharge over time.
I've read somewhere that SLA is about 1% per day, it might be higher. Lithiums are much less something like 1/10 as much. Nicad and Nickle/Hydrid somewhere in the middle. The primary batteries have have a chemistry that will slowly lose capacity over time, You've probably got an alkaline cell that has a shelf-life of up to 10 years. For the SLA in the hangar or trailer, there are "float" chargers that are designed to offset the self-discharge, sometimes called a "trickle charger". My experience it that most charge-then-trickle charger systems will do quite well for a duration of several months, but eventually the battery is useless, no matter what. Reference the battery back-up systems for emergency lighting in most industrial building. So my process is this (when I'm using SLA) one battery on the stand-by charger, one on the regular charger, when I fly, take the standby, move the other one to stand-by and when I return put the battery on the regular charger.. This way I'm rotating the usage. YMMV |
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I use this in my hanger just encase.
First Alert 2013F Fire and Water Chest, 0.17 Cubic Foot, Gray https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000MPMEZ2..._B1sIyb1T5GJ8J |
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On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 5:58:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I use this in my hanger just encase. First Alert 2013F Fire and Water Chest, 0.17 Cubic Foot, Gray https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000MPMEZ2..._B1sIyb1T5GJ8J - uh, in case of what? If kept in a hot area (cockpit, trailer, etc) insulation will not keep contents cool for long. |
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A good quality charger and good quality SLA battery, stored in proper conditions, will last 10 years with still a large percentage of their original capacity. Time kills them eventually, but much more often abuse by people and bad chargers kills them.
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Heat dried the battery out, pretty simple. Batteries should be stored in cool temps, that does more for life than state of charge although that also has a bearing.
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On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 3:22:11 PM UTC-8, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
Heat dried the battery out, pretty simple. Batteries should be stored in cool temps, that does more for life than state of charge although that also has a bearing. Yes this is very likely exactly what happened. really hight temperatures cause the electrolyte to evaporate out the vents. Nobody really thought "sealed lead acid" was really sealed did they? The more correct name is VRLA or Valve Regulated Lead Acid... the neoprene valve that opens when the battery gets hot and the electrolyte evaporates out of. Which is why you want to not charge at high temp, and always charge with he battery upright so it does not blow extra electrolyte out the vent. There is such a small amount of electrolyte wetting the mat between plates you don't have a lot to start with. If you are keeping batteries at high temperatures is more likely what causes problems than sulfating issues. And a VRLA battery discharges nowhere near ~1% per day, it more like a few percent per month in good storage conditions. Yes it increases at high temps. The ~1% per day is for old style flooded lead acid batteries. (incidentally a way I've seen folks destroy VRLA batteries is leave them on incorrect chargers over winter thinking they need to do that to avoid self-discharge issues. Nope. The incorrect chargers can just evaporate away all the electrolyte. If you are not sure you have a specific VRLA charger correctly sized to the battery that will enter float charge mode properly then just charge the battery, disconnect the charger and then recharge again at the start of the season. |
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