Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway

Is it time for venerated pilot Harrison Ford to ground himself for less than
adequate judgment skills to act as Pilot In Command?

The runway is the one with the big "20L" painted on its near-end.

This ignominious incident is worse than Senator Inhoff's landing on a taxiway
because there was a big X on the runway. Old, bold pilots need to recognize
when they become a hazard, and move to the right seat.


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NBC: Harrison Ford Lands On Taxiway
By Mary Grady | February 14, 2017

NBC News reported Tuesday that Harrison Ford mistakenly landed his Husky on a
taxiway at John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California, on Monday, after
flying above an American Airlines 737 full of 110 passengers and 6 crew. The
FAA told NBC that Ford was given correct landing instructions by ATC, and he
read them back. But he then flew above the 737 and asked controllers, "Was that
airliner meant to be underneath me?" The passenger plane, AA flight 1546,
“managed to depart safely for Dallas just minutes after the incident,” NBC News
reported.

Ford was cleared to land on runway 20L, which NBC noted is a narrow runway, but
instead he lined up on the paralel [sic] Taxiway C. The 737 was waiting for
takeoff at the edge of 20L, but it's not clear how close Ford's Husky
approached to the airliner. Ford’s representatives have made no comment in
response to NBC's requests for more information, the network said. Ford was
injured in a crash last March, when he landed his Ryan PT-22 on a Santa Monica
golf course. The NTSB's final report blamed the engine failure on the main
metering jet in the carburetor coming loose. Ford, 72, owns several aircraft
and has been involved in several other incidents and accidents. In 1999, he
made a hard landing on a riverbed, while flying a helicopter with an
instructor. In 2000, Ford damaged a Beech Bonanza during a landing. Nobody was
hurt in either incident.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nding-taxiway/
Harrison Ford nearly crashes plane again - this time into airliner before
landing on taxiway

Harrison Ford flying over Malibu with his yellow Aviat A-1C 20 plane in 2012
Credit: FameFlynet

David Lawler, Washington Nick Allen

15 February 2017 • 8:33am

Harrison Ford, who made his name as the swashbuckling pilot of the Millennium
Falcon in Star Wars, has been involved in a potentially serious run-in with a
passenger jet as he landed his small plane at an airport in California.

The Federal Aviation Administration has launched an investigation after Ford's
Aviat Husky flew over the airliner which was on the ground with passengers on
board.

Air traffic control recordings captured the Hollywood star asking "Was that
airliner meant to be underneath me?"
Harrison Ford
Harrison Ford Credit: Anthony Devlin/PA Wire

The 74-year-old Indiana Jones actor was then informed that he had not come down
on the runway he had been instructed to land on but on a taxiway at John Wayne
Airport in Orange County.

Air traffic controllers had cleared Ford for a landing on Runway 20L.

FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said: "The pilot correctly read back the clearance.
The pilot then landed on a taxiway that runs parallel to the runway overflying
a Boeing 737 that was holding short of the runway. The FAA is investigating."
Harrison Ford
A small plane owned by Harrison Ford is seen after crashing at the Penmar Golf
Course in Venice, California in 2015 Credit: Jonathan Alcorn/AFP

It was not clear how close Ford flew to the passenger jet.

The investigation could led to penalties for the pilot ranging from a warning
to a suspension of his licence.

The plane Ford flew over was an American Airlines flight bound for Dallas with
110 passengers and six crew on board.

American Airlines Flight 1456 departed safely for Dallas a few minutes later.
Harrison Ford
Harrison Ford in Star Wars: The Force Awakens Credit: Lucasfilm via AP

Ford collects vintage planes and has a long and good record as an aviator. But
he has had several incidents over the past two decades.

In March 2015 he was seriously injured when his Second World War-era trainer
crashed on a Los Angeles golf course when it lost power shortly after takeoff.

Ford was seriously injured in the crash, breaking his arm and suffering memory
loss. He was praised for avoiding densely populated areas nearby.

In 1999 he crash-landed his helicopter during a training flight in which he and
an instructor were practicing auto rotations in Ventura County, northwest of
Los Angeles. Ford and the instructor were unhurt.

He was flying a Beechcraft Bonanza in 2000 when wind shear forced him to make
an emergency landing at Lincoln Municipal Airport in Nebraska.

Ford and his passenger were uninjured when the plane clipped the runway, but
its wing tips were damaged, officials said.

The actor has also flown successful search and rescue missions including
helping to find a missing hiker and Boy Scout in Wyoming in 2001.

An award was named in his honour by the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association.

He was flying alone in his single engine Husky during the latest incident on
Monday.

Ford's publicist, Ina Treciokas, declined to comment.

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Harrison Ford 'sparks FAA investigation after landing his private plane on
taxiway instead of runway'

The Star Wars actor reportedly mistook a taxiway for a runway at John Wayne
Airport in California

ByLara Martin

21:59, 14 FEB 2017Updated22:06, 14 FEB 2017

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Harrison Ford
Harrison Ford (Photo: FameFlynet)

Harrison Ford has reportedly sparked an investigation in the US after
mistakenly landing his private plane on an airport taxiway instead of the
runway.

According to NBC News , the Indiana Jones actor was piloting his own plane and
had been instructed to land on a runway at John Wayne Airport in Orange County,
California, but instead aimed for a taxiway.

The 74-year-old’s plane is said to have passed over the top of a Boeing 737 jet
holding 110 passengers and six crew. The jet was reportedly able to take off
safely minutes later.

NBC News claims Ford asked air traffic control: "Was that airliner meant to be
underneath me?”

Harrison Ford stands on his helicopter during a serious check of his aircraft
before a take off from Santa Monica airport
Ford is said to have landed on a taxiway instead of a runway (Photo:
FameFlynet)

Harrison Ford stands on his helicopter during a serious check of his aircraft
before a take off from Santa Monica airport
Ford is a plane enthusiast (Photo: FameFlynet)

He was then informed he'd landed on the taxiway, not cleared runway.

A rep for the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) told Mirror Online that it
would not identity people involved in aircraft incidents.

The spokesperson told us: “Air traffic controllers cleared the pilot of a
single-engine Aviat Husky to land on Runway 20L at John Wayne Airport Monday
afternoon. The pilot correctly read back the clearance. The pilot then landed
on a taxiway that runs parallel to the runway, overflying a Boeing 737 that was
holding short of the runway.

“The FAA is investigating this incident.”

We have contacted a representative for Ford but have yet to hear back.
Harrison Ford stands on his helicopter during a serious check of his aircraft
before a take off from Santa Monica airport
Ford taking off from Santa Monica airport on 12 February (Photo: FameFlynet)

Star Wars actor Ford is known as an aircraft enthusiast and has held a private
pilot's license for many years.

He was injured in 2015 when his vintage private plane crashed into a Los
Angeles golf course after he reported engine failure to ground control shortly
after take off.

Ford, who is married to actress Calista Flockhart, performed an expert
emergency landing in the Second World War aircraft and escaped with a head
injury and broken leg.

Harrison Ford

Ford frequently talks about his love of flying (Photo: Getty)

He later told The Mirror: “I’ve been flying for 20 years and it was a very rare
thing to happen. It was a mechanical issue and no fault of the maintenance or
anyone else.”

Ford added of wife Calista: “My wife still supports me because she knows how
much it means to me. Maybe I am stupid, but I haven’t changed anything. I still
love flying.

“I started flying as soon as I could get back in my cockpit. I had a cast on my
right leg, but my toes were hanging out so I could put my toes over the pedals
and fly. I’ve been flying ever since.”

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Harrison Ford Lands Plane on Taxiway, Flying Over Passenger Jet
Image: Harrison Ford Lands Plane on Taxiway, Flying Over Passenger Jet

Actor and pilot Harrison Ford speaks with the General Aviation Caucus on
Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, March 19, 2013. (Jim Watson/AFP/Getty Images)

By Clyde Hughes | Wednesday, 15 Feb 2017 09:59 AM

Harrison Ford is in hot water not with the Empire, but the Federal Aviation
Administration for an incident at John Wayne Airport in Santa Ana, California,
where the "Star Wars" actor reportedly landed his single-engine plane on a
taxiway while flying over a passenger airliner.

Air traffic controllers Monday afternoon allegedly cleared the pilot of an
Aviat Husky, later identified as Ford, to land on Runway 20L at the airport,
the Orange County Register reported.

"The pilot correctly read back the clearance," FAA spokesman Ian Gregor told
the Register. "The pilot then landed on a taxiway that runs parallel to the
runway, overflying a Boeing 737 that was holding short of the runway."

The newspaper reported that landing on a taxiway is a violation of FAA safety
rules.

"Any pilot who violates FAA regulations can face penalties ranging from a
warning letter to a license suspension or revocation," Gregor said, according
to the Register.

The airliner Ford passed was an American Airlines 737 carrying 110 passengers
and a six-person crew, NBC News reported.

Ford, 74, has been involved in a number of crashes and near-crashes connected
with his flying hobby over the years, NBC News noted. The actor crash-landed a
World War II-era airplane on a golf course in Santa Monica in 2015 after the
engine failed. In 1999, he crash-landed a helicopter in Ventura County,
California, during a flight lesson. The following year, while making an
emergency landing at the Lincoln Municipal Airport in Nebraska, Ford's six-seat
Beechcraft Bonanza scraped the runway.

According to People magazine, Ford was hospitalized for weeks after he was
rushed to the UCLA Medical Center after the 2015 accident. Ford reportedly
suffered a broken pelvis in that incident.

Along with his Hans Solo character in the "Star Wars" franchise, the busy actor
has been connected to other movie serials including the "Indiana Jones" series
and the Tom Clancy series that included "Patriot Games" and "Clear and Present
Danger."

Ford broke his left leg in 2014 during the filming of "Star Wars: The Force
Awakens" in London, forcing him to be hospitalized in the middle of movie's
production, The Guardian reported.
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Harrison Ford is involved in another aviation mishap. FAA is investigating
taxiway landing over airliner.
By Peter Holley February 14 at 6:34 PM

Harrison Ford is being investigated by the FAA. (Brendon Thorne/Getty Images
for Walt Disney Studios)

Nearly two years ago, actor Harrison Ford was hospitalized for “moderate
trauma” after he crashed a small, vintage plane on a Venice, Calif., golf
course.

On Monday, Ford — an avid pilot and vintage plane collector — narrowly avoided
another, more serious incident while landing his single-engine Husky at John
Wayne Airport in Orange County, Calif., according to NBC News.

A spokesman with the Federal Aviation Administration said the incident unfolded
after air traffic controllers cleared the pilot to land and the pilot correctly
read back the clearance. “The pilot then landed on a taxiway that runs parallel
to the runway, overflying a Boeing 737 that was holding short of the runway,”
the spokesman said.

The incident is under FAA investigation, but the spokesman would not name the
pilot.

[Harrison Ford injured in small plane crash at California golf course]

NBC News reported that Ford can be heard on air traffic control recordings
asking, “Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?”

Air traffic controllers replied by telling Ford that he had landed on a taxiway
instead of the designated runway, which is a violation FAA safety rules, NBC
reported.

NBC reported that the American Airlines flight had 110 passengers and a
six-person crew on board.

Ford, the star of the “Star Wars” and “Indiana Jones” movie series, is an
experienced pilot who has been inducted as a Living Legend of Aviation, but he
has been involved in several dangerous incidents.

As The Washington Post’s Emily Yahr reported in 2015, Ford had crash-landed a
plane in Nebraska in 2000, just months after he crash-landed a helicopter in
Los Angeles.

In 2013, during a visit to Capitol Hill, Ford talked about his passion for
flying, Yahr noted: “’Aviation helped me reinvent my life.”
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'Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?' Harrison Ford, 74, nearly
crashes his plane AGAIN, this time into a Boeing 737 with 110 passengers on
board

Actor Harrison Ford was involved in a near miss with a Boeing 737 full of
passengers in California on Monday

Hollywood legend was flying his single engine plane Husky when he
mistakenly aimed for the taxiway at John Wayne Airport rather than the runway

He barely missed the American Airlines 737 loaded with 110 passengers,
flying just over the top

Ford was captured on air traffic control recordings asking: 'Was that
airliner meant to be underneath me?'

Star Wars actor has been in a number of crashes in his vintage aircraft
over the years

In 2015 he was flying a vintage plane in Venice, California when the engine
failed and he made a crash landing on a local golf course, suffering head
injuries and a broken arm

By Hannah Parry For Dailymail.com

Published: 16:26 EST, 14 February 2017 | Updated: 06:32 EST, 15 February 2017

Harrison Ford had a near miss on Monday when he almost crashed his
single-engine Husky plane into a Boeing 737.

The actor, who was in a serious plane crash in 2015, had been instructed to
land on runway 20-L at John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California.

But the 74-year-old mistakenly aimed for a taxiway, just passing over an
American Airlines 737 loaded with more than 100 passengers and a six-person
crew.

'Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?' he asked Air Control.

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Harrison Ford (pictured inside his Husky Aviat A-1C before a take off from
Santa Monica airport on Monday) nearly crashed his single-engine Husky plane
into a Boeing 737
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He was spotted inspecting the small, single engined aircraft before take off,
shortly before his near miss
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He was captured on air traffic control recordings asking: 'Was that airliner
meant to be underneath me?' (pictured flying over Santa Monica Monday before
the incident)
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Ford mistakenly aimed for a taxiway, just passing over an American Airlines 737
loaded with more than 100 passengers
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The Federal Aviation Administration say that controllers had given Ford clear
instructions to land on the runway, as landing on a taxiway is a safety
violation. They say the actor read the instructions back yet still somehow
ended up aiming for the taxiway.

The American Airlines flight 1546 was still able to take off for Dallas just
minutes after the incident, NBC News reports.

The FAA has now launched an investigation which could result in anything from a
warning letter to Ford losing his licence.

Ford's reps had no official comment on the incident.

Ford, a vintage plane collector, has been involved in a number of crashes over
the years.

Most famously, in 2015 he crash-landed a World War II-era airplane after the
engine failed. The aircraft plummeted into a Santa Monica golf course during
the crash in which Ford suffered head injuries and a broken arm.

But Ford was actually praised for keeping his cool and managing to glide his
airplane into the crash landing. Moments before the crash, in audio of his
conversation with air traffic control, an unemotional Ford was heard asking for
an emergency landing because his engine had failed.

He said he was not going to be able to make the runaway at Santa Monica Airport
so he picked a long green at the nearby Penmar golf course to land out of the
way of the congested neighborhood.

After plunging 3,000ft and hitting a tree on the way down, Ford was rushed from
the scene bleeding heavily from a head wound.

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Ford was spotted carrying out checks on the Husky Aviat A-1C - believed to be
the same plane that crash - before take-off yesterday
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Actor and producer Harrison Ford is a collector of vintage aircraft and private
planes which he keeps at the airport

Ford's publicist Ina Treciokas said the actor had no other choice but to make
an emergency landing.

'Harrison's been a great pilot. You can see by the fact that he survived this
forced landing that he is a skilled aviator,' Paul Mitton, who produced a
documentary about Ford's love of flying, told CNN.

Aviation expert Rick Dake told People that Ford's landing was amazing
considering the unforgiving nature of the World War II-era plane.

'Everything he did was perfect,' Dake, of Aviation Consulting Experts, told
People.

He says less-experienced pilots training on the plane during World War II would
often crash because the plane tended to flip when the engine fails.

'That alone is testament to the great ability Harrison Ford had. He made a
180-degree turn with the engine seizing up on him. He almost made it to the
runway,' Dake said.

'He was able to keep that plane away from the houses and land it with the least
impact on the community. That was the best place he could have landed it. He
was 100 per cent doing exactly what an excellent aviator would do.'

He also crash-landed a helicopter in 1999 and was forced to perform an
emergency landing the following year in a Beechcraft Bonanza at Nebraska's
Lincoln Municipal Airport.

The accident-prone actor has also injured himself on the ground too. While
filming 'Star Wars: Episode VII', the door of Solo's Millennium Falcon
spacecraft fell and broke the actor's leg.
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Ford (pictured at Santa Monica airport Sunday) just missed the passenger jet
after he accidentally landed on the taxiway
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Ford stands on his helicopter during a serious check of his aircraft before a
take off from Santa Monica airport on Sunday
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Monday's near miss comes two years after he crashed his plane into a golf
course, breaking his arm. Pictured on the left at a film premiere in October
2013, and with wife Calista Flockhart at the 2014 Academy Awards on the right

He discovered a passion for flying somewhat late in life but Ford embraced it
with gusto and flew his collection of planes as much as he drove his collection
of vintage cars.

The actor was 52 when he started taking flying lessons and over the years the
Indiana Jones star has amassed an impressive aviation collection.

He keeps the aircraft at the Santa Monica Airport which is where he was where
he had taken off from in his two-seater PT- 22 shortly before he crashed on a
nearby Venice golf course in 2015.

Now 74, Ford would be too old to fly a commercial aircraft who have a mandatory
retirement age of 65.

However, the FAA have no age limit on private pilots. The only additional
requirement is that pilots above the age of 40 must pass medical exams every
two years instead of every five.

In an interview with The Mail On Sunday back in 2010, the Blade Runner and Star
Wars actor talked about some of the planes in his collection and the reasons he
loves flying so much.

'Flying is like good music: it elevates the spirit and it's an exhilarating
freedom.' he said. 'It's not a thrill thing or an adrenaline rush; it's
engaging in a process that takes focus and commitment.

Ford has a long range jet, a Citation Sovereign, a turboprop aircraft capable
of operating on unimproved airstrips; and a de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver single
engine bush plane.

He also has a 1929 Waco Taperwing open-top biplane, an Aviat Husky, which is a
two-seat fabric-covered bush plane, and a Bell 407 helicopter.

In 1999, Ford was flying his helicopter along the Lake Piru riverbed,
north-east of Los Angeles, when it went down in a hard landing during a
training session.
The actor, who was in a serious plane crash in 2015, had been instructed to
land on runway 20-L at John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California
(pictured is the damaged remains of his plane from his 2015 crash)
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The 74-year-old had mistakenly aimed for a taxiway, passing just over an
American Airlines 737 loaded with 110 passengers and a six-person crew (his
2015 crash)

Neither the actor nor his instructor were hurt although the helicopter was
severely damaged.

He later said the incident gave him the opportunity to buy a new helicopter.

He once described crashing a plane as being like scraping a bumper and said he
used his planes as much he used his cars.

'I'm so passionate about flying, I often fly up the coast for a cheeseburger,'
he said in 2010.

The Hollywood star often flies to and from his ranch in Wyoming and has used
his helicopter there to aid Search and Rescue crews locate missing hikers.

With his need for speed, Ford collects vintage cars and motorbikes,

He has about a dozen motorcycles including several BMWs, a couple of Harleys,
Hondas and a Triumph.

He has vintage cars too including a rare 1955 forest green convertible Jaguar
XK 140 worth about $150,000.

Ford is married to actress Calista Flockhart and they have a teenage son Liam.

HARRISON'S BRAVADO EQUALS THAT OF HAN SOLO AND INDIANA JONES

Harrison Ford is as much the daredevil in real life as Han Solo, Indiana Jones
or the other larger-than-life characters he's played on the screen.

While his fictional adventures in 'Star Wars' and as bold archaeologist Jones
have thrilled audiences, the star has run into real-life danger - and sometimes
pain - while indulging in his love of aviation, fast driving and the
unpredictability of filmmaking.

On Thursday, the actor's vintage plane crash-landed on a golf course in Los
Angeles shortly after taking off from a nearby airport. Ford, 74, who had
reported engine failure to air-traffic controllers, suffered moderate injuries
and was taken by ambulance to a hospital.

Beyond joy-riding in the skies, Ford also employs his skills as a pilot,
acquired in his mid-50s, to help in search-and-rescue efforts.
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Harrison Ford is as much the daredevil in real life as Han Solo (pictured)
Indiana Jones or the other larger-than-life characters he's played on the
screen

Here are a few of his closer brushes, some more dramatic than others, as well
as heroic moments:

The scar on his face that lends him a rakish look was earned, he's said, in
'a mundane way.' In 1964, he was speeding to a job at a department store in
Orange County, California, when his car veered off the road and into a
telephone pole as he fumbled for his seat belt.

In 1999, Ford crash-landed his helicopter during a training flight in which
he and an instructor were practicing auto rotations in Ventura County,
northwest of Los Angeles. Ford and the instructor were unhurt.

He used his helicopter in 2000 to pluck an Idaho Falls, Idaho, hiker off
11,106-foot Table Mountain in Teton County, Wyoming, and fly her to a hospital.

One year later, Ford and another searcher helped find a missing Boy Scout
in a forest south of Yellowstone National Park. 'Boy, you sure must have earned
a merit badge for this one,' said Ford told the cold and hungry teenager after
whisking him to safety by chopper.

Ford was at the helm of a Beechcraft Bonanza in 2000 when wind shear
forced him to make an emergency landing at Lincoln Municipal Airport in
Nebraska. Ford and his passenger were uninjured when the plane clipped the
runway and its wing tips were damaged, officials said.
In 2014, he was filming 'Star Wars: Episode VII' in a studio outside London
when a door of Solo's Millennium Falcon spacecraft fell and broke the actor's
leg, requiring surgery on it. He recovered and returned to complete his work on
the movie.
In 2015, he suffered his most serious crash at the helm of the Ryan PT-22
Recruit vintage plane which he managed to crash land on a Santa Monica golf
course.
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FAA Investigating Harrison Ford For Reportedly Landing On Taxiway Instead Of
Runway
February 14, 2017 8:38 PM
Filed Under: Harrison Ford, Plane Incident

SANTA ANA (CBSLA.com) — A plane belonging to Harrison Ford was involved in an
incident at John Wayne Airport, sources told CBS2/KCAL9 Tuesday.

The incident occurred Monday afternoon when air traffic controllers cleared a
single-engine plane for landing at the Santa Ana airport, according to FAA
spokesman Ian Gregor.

After correctly reading back the clearance, the pilot landed on a taxiway that
runs parallel to the runway, overflying a Boeing 737 that was holding short of
the runway, Gregor said. Visibility was clear at the time of the landing.

An FAA investigation is underway.

“How could an experienced pilot do something like this?” former commercial
airline pilot Ross Aimer wonders.
fordplane FAA Investigating Harrison Ford For Reportedly Landing On Taxiway
Instead Of Runway

A photo of the plane Harrison Ford was flying Tuesday taken at an earlier time.

Sources told CBS2/KCAL9 the tail number of the plane was registered to Ford and
that he was flying the aircraft at the time of the incident. The 74-year-old
actor’s publicist declined to release a statement.

American Airlines said they were aware of the incident and reported it to the
FAA and NTSB “for further investigation”.

Ford was reportedly heard on air traffic control saying: “Was that airliner
supposed to be underneath me?”

“This is a violation of pretty high degree to land on a taxiway,” Aimer said.
“Not only that, but to land perhaps on top of a commercial airliner.”

Aimer added that this could cost Ford his pilot’s license if he is found to be
in violation.

It wouldn’t be the first aviation-related incident involving Ford: in 2015,
Ford crashed a World War II-vintage plane on a Venice golf course shortly after
taking off from Santa Monica Airport.
A general view at the Penmar Golf Course after a single-engine plane piloted by
actor Harrison Ford crashed on March 5, 2015 in Venice. (Photo by Rich
Polk/Getty Images)

A general view at the Penmar Golf Course after a single-engine plane piloted by
actor Harrison Ford crashed on March 5, 2015 in Venice. (Photo by Rich
Polk/Getty Images)

The single-engine Ryan Aeronautical ST3KR Ford was piloting lost engine power
before it clipped the top of a tree and crashed in an open area of the golf
course, according to federal investigators.

Ford was hospitalized for several days for treatment of broken bones.
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Larry Dighera wrote:

Is it time for venerated pilot Harrison Ford to ground himself for less than
adequate judgment skills to act as Pilot In Command?

The runway is the one with the big "20L" painted on its near-end.

This ignominious incident is worse than Senator Inhoff's landing on a taxiway
because there was a big X on the runway. Old, bold pilots need to recognize
when they become a hazard, and move to the right seat.

Uh, Inhofe didn't land on a taxiway, he landed on the runway with the big X.
Then he saw he was going to run into people and he took off, flew over them
and landed again further down the runway. There's no comparison to someone
making an honest mistake and landing on a wide taxiway. Inhofe would have had
his license pulled if he wasn't a senator.

--
Don Poitras

Hello Don,

Thank you for the correction. Very much appreciated.

However, it's my understanding that a pilot, be he senator or actor, can escape
FAA disciplinary action by filing a NASA ASRS Report within ten days:
https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report/electronic.html

https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/overview/immunity.html
Regulatory Restrictions. Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (14
CFR) part 91, § 91.25 prohibits the use of any reports submitted to NASA
under the ASRS (or information derived therefrom) in any disciplinary
action, except information concerning criminal offenses or accidents that
are covered under paragraphs 7a(1) and 7a(2).

...

Enforcement Restrictions. The FAA considers the filing of a report with
NASA concerning an incident or occurrence involving a violation of 49
U.S.C. subtitle VII or the 14 CFR to be indicative of a constructive
attitude. Such an attitude will tend to prevent future violations.
Accordingly, although a finding of violation may be made, neither a civil
penalty nor certificate suspension will be imposed if:

The violation was inadvertent and not deliberate;
The violation did not involve a criminal offense, accident, or action under
49 U.S.C. § 44709, which discloses a lack of qualification or competency,
which is wholly excluded from this policy;

The person has not been found in any prior FAA enforcement action to have
committed a violation of 49 U.S.C. subtitle VII, or any regulation
promulgated there for a period of 5 years prior to the date of occurrence;
and

The person proves that, within 10 days after the violation, or date when
the person became aware or should have been aware of the violation, he or
she completed and delivered or mailed a written report of the incident or
occurrence to NASA.

As Inhoff's violation appears to have been deliberate, you appear to be correct
about his facing FAA disciplinary action if justice be served.

Best regards,
Larry


On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:49:49 +0000 (UTC), (Don Poitras)
wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:

Is it time for venerated pilot Harrison Ford to ground himself for less than
adequate judgment skills to act as Pilot In Command?

The runway is the one with the big "20L" painted on its near-end.

This ignominious incident is worse than Senator Inhoff's landing on a taxiway
because there was a big X on the runway. Old, bold pilots need to recognize
when they become a hazard, and move to the right seat.

Uh, Inhofe didn't land on a taxiway, he landed on the runway with the big X.
Then he saw he was going to run into people and he took off, flew over them
and landed again further down the runway. There's no comparison to someone
making an honest mistake and landing on a wide taxiway. Inhofe would have had
his license pulled if he wasn't a senator.

On 2/15/2017 12:21 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it time for venerated pilot Harrison Ford to ground himself for less than
adequate judgment skills to act as Pilot In Command?

The runway is the one with the big "20L" painted on its near-end.

This ignominious incident is worse than Senator Inhoff's landing on a taxiway
because there was a big X on the runway.


Nonsense Larry. Did you bother taking a glance at the airport diagram?
Anytime you have parallel runways, with one fat and the other skinny,
this incident will occasionally happen because it's easy to focus on
only the skinny runway while confusing it for the larger parallel
runway. It's a matter of sight fixation (seeing what you expect to see)
Once you've done that, then the even skinnier taxiway becomes the
"skinny" runway in the pilot's head. I know that it happens at PBIA,
and that pilots are specifically warned about it.

That's not to say that Ford is blameless, only that he made a typical
and well-known pilot screwup. However it's OTT to imply that one
incident means a pilot should be grounded.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:03:57 -0500, Vaughn Simon wrote:

On 2/15/2017 12:21 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it time for venerated pilot Harrison Ford to ground himself for less than
adequate judgment skills to act as Pilot In Command?

The runway is the one with the big "20L" painted on its near-end.

This ignominious incident is worse than Senator Inhoff's landing on a taxiway
because there was a big X on the runway.


Nonsense Larry. Did you bother taking a glance at the airport diagram?

I was based at KSNA for a decade. I'm very familiar with the layout.

Anytime you have parallel runways, with one fat and the other skinny,
this incident will occasionally happen because it's easy to focus on
only the skinny runway while confusing it for the larger parallel
runway. It's a matter of sight fixation (seeing what you expect to see)
Once you've done that, then the even skinnier taxiway becomes the
"skinny" runway in the pilot's head. I know that it happens at PBIA,
and that pilots are specifically warned about it.

I understand your point, but I don't recall anyone ever having landed on that
taxiway. The taxiway is quite narrow, I would estimate about 1/3rd the width
of the narrow 75' wide runway 20L. Take a look here
https://goo.gl/maps/xgXjy2uURJm and you'll see from the surface markings and
layout how difficult it is to mistake taxiway Charlie for runway 20L.


That's not to say that Ford is blameless, only that he made a typical
and well-known pilot screwup. However it's OTT to imply that one
incident means a pilot should be grounded.

Ford has had his share of mishaps. I know that age has taken its toll on my
piloting abilities, and at 74, Ford is likely experiencing a similar decline.

If senility-based erosion of one's faculties (in addition to the possibility of
arrogance in Ford's case) has impaired one's judgment or cognition, it is
irresponsible for any pilot to continue to act as pilot in command. One could
look upon Ford's mishaps as Darwin's gentle nudge. When we find our decisions
causing disruption of the nominal performance of the NAS, it is an unmistakable
sign... The destination denial provides is likely to be the final one IMHO.

Sometimes it's difficult to be objective about the things which we are
passionate. In our determination to be objective, we must factor in that
passion-bias to judgment decisions.

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:03:57 -0500, Vaughn Simon wrote:

On 2/15/2017 12:21 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it time for venerated pilot Harrison Ford to ground himself for less than
adequate judgment skills to act as Pilot In Command?

The runway is the one with the big "20L" painted on its near-end.

This ignominious incident is worse than Senator Inhoff's landing on a taxiway
because there was a big X on the runway.


Nonsense Larry. Did you bother taking a glance at the airport diagram?

I was based at KSNA for a decade. I'm very familiar with the layout.

Anytime you have parallel runways, with one fat and the other skinny,
this incident will occasionally happen because it's easy to focus on
only the skinny runway while confusing it for the larger parallel
runway. It's a matter of sight fixation (seeing what you expect to see)
Once you've done that, then the even skinnier taxiway becomes the
"skinny" runway in the pilot's head. I know that it happens at PBIA,
and that pilots are specifically warned about it.

I understand your point, but I don't recall anyone ever having landed on that
taxiway. The taxiway is quite narrow, I would estimate about 1/3rd the width
of the narrow 75' wide runway 20L. Take a look here
https://goo.gl/maps/xgXjy2uURJm and you'll see from the surface markings and
layout how difficult it is to mistake taxiway Charlie for runway 20L.

Really? Try this:
http://poitras.org/misc/ksna1.png

--
Don Poitras

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:28:35 +0000 (UTC), (Don Poitras)
wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:03:57 -0500, Vaughn Simon wrote:

On 2/15/2017 12:21 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it time for venerated pilot Harrison Ford to ground himself for less than
adequate judgment skills to act as Pilot In Command?

The runway is the one with the big "20L" painted on its near-end.

This ignominious incident is worse than Senator Inhoff's landing on a taxiway
because there was a big X on the runway.


Nonsense Larry. Did you bother taking a glance at the airport diagram?

I was based at KSNA for a decade. I'm very familiar with the layout.

Anytime you have parallel runways, with one fat and the other skinny,
this incident will occasionally happen because it's easy to focus on
only the skinny runway while confusing it for the larger parallel
runway. It's a matter of sight fixation (seeing what you expect to see)
Once you've done that, then the even skinnier taxiway becomes the
"skinny" runway in the pilot's head. I know that it happens at PBIA,
and that pilots are specifically warned about it.

I understand your point, but I don't recall anyone ever having landed on that
taxiway. The taxiway is quite narrow, I would estimate about 1/3rd the width
of the narrow 75' wide runway 20L. Take a look here
https://goo.gl/maps/xgXjy2uURJm and you'll see from the surface markings and
layout how difficult it is to mistake taxiway Charlie for runway 20L.

Really? Try this:
http://poitras.org/misc/ksna1.png

Thank you for taking the time to create that comparison image, Don.

I completely comprehend your argument, however if the pilot In Command fails to
check the numbers painted on the end of the runway, how is he to know he is
complying with the ATC clearance?

Mr. Ford is either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for
the requirements to operate responsibly, or both. We are all faced with the
former. Darwin usually purges those with the later attitude from the gene pool
sooner or later.


Message-ID:

"There's an old saying that every pilot starts with a full bag of
luck, and empty bag of experience - the trick being to fill the
bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck"
-- Colin Southern

Larry Dighera wrote:

snip

Mr. Ford is either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for
the requirements to operate responsibly, or both.

Another possibility; he ****ed up.

I suppose you have never in your life done anything that in retrospect you
concider stupid due to a momentary lapse in attention, focus or judgment?

--
Jim Pennino

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:48:48 AM UTC-6, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:03:57 -0500, Vaughn Simon wrote:

On 2/15/2017 12:21 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it time for venerated pilot Harrison Ford to ground himself for less than
adequate judgment skills to act as Pilot In Command?

The runway is the one with the big "20L" painted on its near-end.

This ignominious incident is worse than Senator Inhoff's landing on a taxiway
because there was a big X on the runway.


Nonsense Larry. Did you bother taking a glance at the airport diagram?

I was based at KSNA for a decade. I'm very familiar with the layout.

Anytime you have parallel runways, with one fat and the other skinny,
this incident will occasionally happen because it's easy to focus on
only the skinny runway while confusing it for the larger parallel
runway. It's a matter of sight fixation (seeing what you expect to see)
Once you've done that, then the even skinnier taxiway becomes the
"skinny" runway in the pilot's head. I know that it happens at PBIA,
and that pilots are specifically warned about it.

I understand your point, but I don't recall anyone ever having landed on that
taxiway. The taxiway is quite narrow, I would estimate about 1/3rd the width
of the narrow 75' wide runway 20L. Take a look here
https://goo.gl/maps/xgXjy2uURJm and you'll see from the surface markings and
layout how difficult it is to mistake taxiway Charlie for runway 20L.


That's not to say that Ford is blameless, only that he made a typical
and well-known pilot screwup. However it's OTT to imply that one
incident means a pilot should be grounded.

Ford has had his share of mishaps. I know that age has taken its toll on my
piloting abilities, and at 74, Ford is likely experiencing a similar decline.

If senility-based erosion of one's faculties (in addition to the possibility of
arrogance in Ford's case) has impaired one's judgment or cognition, it is
irresponsible for any pilot to continue to act as pilot in command. One could
look upon Ford's mishaps as Darwin's gentle nudge. When we find our decisions
causing disruption of the nominal performance of the NAS, it is an unmistakable
sign... The destination denial provides is likely to be the final one IMHO.

Sometimes it's difficult to be objective about the things which we are
passionate. In our determination to be objective, we must factor in that
passion-bias to judgment decisions.

He is working his reign of terror down the SoCal coast. Be on the lookout at Carlsbad's Palomar-McClellan Airport. A stray landing at Camp Pendleton might draw Marine fire