Marske Pioneer Cross Country

The Marske PioneerIId has been doing some flight testing and cross country
lately. See the Marske site for details.
-mat
--
Marske Flying Wings
http://www.continuo.com/marske

I did a 700K in my Ventus Mat
You can check it out at onlinecontest.org

Now quit spamming us

Al


"mat Redsell" wrote in message
...
The Marske PioneerIId has been doing some flight testing and cross
country
lately. See the Marske site for details.
-mat
--
Marske Flying Wings
http://www.continuo.com/marske

I did a 700K in my Ventus Mat
You can check it out at onlinecontest.org
Now quit spamming us
Al

Am I the only one who finds Al's comments in very poor taste? Is there
anyone who encourage my participation on this list?

Al should be reminded that his use of liberty is not to squash those who
differ from his own conceited opinion. It does little to encourage anyone
who does anything different from himself.and shows readily that he has not
bothered to do any homework nor research his obviously prejudiced statement.
I ask those close to Al to remind him that the hatred he displays only shows
his complete ignorance of the potential for aerodynamic gain by Jim Marske's
planform.

It is this kind of statement that discourages those who may have found a
slightly differing path. There are times to disagree but doing it in this
manner shows a complete disregard for our efforts and is most discouraging
to those who dare to try something different.

It also shows how the gliding community has fallen over the years and
discourages anyone from being part of the gliding community. It was not that
long ago when everyone rejoiced at the diversity and was both excited and
encouaged by it. Now we have only one basic glider made in countries outside
the USA. (I do note the apparent success of the sparowhawk which at least is
one bright spark of hope.)

Where is the encouraging spirit? Has Al even considered the years of work
that have gone into the development that Jim Marske has done. Has he
bothered to realize that the Pioneer IID was from the same era as the 1-26
and has even the same basic dimensions and samee airfoil? How does he
explain the trememndous advantage the Pioneer has over the 1-26? and the
Pioneer is a wood glider!!! Has he even bothered to ask Dave Welles his
opinion of the Pioneer? Has he bothered to really investigate the Marske
Wing. Again he hasn't but continues to bully his way.

If he was a real person worthy of any merit he would publish his full name
attached to his poor taste quips.

Al, I like criticism but please take a little time and it based on good
research and genuine interest not just opinionated hatred!

Please someone put a full name to Al so I can list his comments in my
History of the Marske flying wing under the Flying wing misconceptions and
prejudice chapter, at least I have a chance to have the last chuckle.

-mat

AMAZING....

You really are Mat.

You turn a poke at you into a full advert about Maske Flying wings.

Now quit spamming us

Al
yes the Al.
www.gliderforum.com for more info.
Dig deep you might even find my last name!!




"mat Redsell" wrote in message
...
I did a 700K in my Ventus Mat
You can check it out at onlinecontest.org
Now quit spamming us
Al

Am I the only one who finds Al's comments in very poor taste? Is there
anyone who encourage my participation on this list?

Al should be reminded that his use of liberty is not to squash those who
differ from his own conceited opinion. It does little to encourage anyone
who does anything different from himself.and shows readily that he has
not
bothered to do any homework nor research his obviously prejudiced
statement.
I ask those close to Al to remind him that the hatred he displays only
shows
his complete ignorance of the potential for aerodynamic gain by Jim
Marske's
planform.

It is this kind of statement that discourages those who may have found a
slightly differing path. There are times to disagree but doing it in this
manner shows a complete disregard for our efforts and is most discouraging
to those who dare to try something different.

It also shows how the gliding community has fallen over the years and
discourages anyone from being part of the gliding community. It was not
that
long ago when everyone rejoiced at the diversity and was both excited and
encouaged by it. Now we have only one basic glider made in countries
outside
the USA. (I do note the apparent success of the sparowhawk which at least
is
one bright spark of hope.)

Where is the encouraging spirit? Has Al even considered the years of work
that have gone into the development that Jim Marske has done. Has he
bothered to realize that the Pioneer IID was from the same era as the 1-26
and has even the same basic dimensions and samee airfoil? How does he
explain the trememndous advantage the Pioneer has over the 1-26? and the
Pioneer is a wood glider!!! Has he even bothered to ask Dave Welles his
opinion of the Pioneer? Has he bothered to really investigate the Marske
Wing. Again he hasn't but continues to bully his way.

If he was a real person worthy of any merit he would publish his full name
attached to his poor taste quips.

Al, I like criticism but please take a little time and it based on good
research and genuine interest not just opinionated hatred!

Please someone put a full name to Al so I can list his comments in my
History of the Marske flying wing under the Flying wing misconceptions
and
prejudice chapter, at least I have a chance to have the last chuckle.

-mat

"mat Redsell" wrote in message
...
Is there
anyone who encourage my participation on this list?

Reasonable people will (and often do) disagree, but we have few enough
entrepreneurs and innovators in our sport. We can afford to give them a bit of
slack here at smd; particularly if they are discreet and available to share
their expertise here, rather than simply push their product and disappear until
next time.

I generally enjoy Mat's contributions.

Vaughn

I find it in poor taste that in the WA fatality thread Mat even saw a way to
promote his "stall proof" flying wing.

Mat we all know about your pioneer and its an old design that was designed
to compete with the 1-26

TELL US SOMETHING NEW.. DONT KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT THAT SAME PIONEER 2D YOU
DUSTED OFF 2 YEARS AGO!!

Al



"Vaughn" wrote in message
...

"mat Redsell" wrote in message
...
Is there
anyone who encourage my participation on this list?

Reasonable people will (and often do) disagree, but we have few
enough
entrepreneurs and innovators in our sport. We can afford to give them a
bit of
slack here at smd; particularly if they are discreet and available to
share
their expertise here, rather than simply push their product and disappear
until
next time.

I generally enjoy Mat's contributions.

Vaughn

"mat Redsell" wrote in message ...

Please someone put a full name to Al so I can list his comments in my
History of the Marske flying wing under the Flying wing misconceptions and
prejudice chapter, at least I have a chance to have the last chuckle.

Alastair MacDonald, lives in some kind of slum near Minden.

"mat Redsell" wrote in message ...
Where is the encouraging spirit? Has Al even considered the years
of work
that have gone into the development that Jim Marske has done. Has he
bothered to realize that the Pioneer IID was from the same era as the 1-26
and has even the same basic dimensions and samee airfoil? How does he
explain the trememndous advantage the Pioneer has over the 1-26? and the

That is impressive. Hey, have you thought of making a flying wing
version of the PW-5 airfoil? If flying wings are as efficient as you
say, it just might perform as well as a Russia!

Al wrote:
I did a 700K in my Ventus Mat
You can check it out at onlinecontest.org

Now quit spamming us

Al


"mat Redsell" wrote in message
...

The Marske PioneerIId has been doing some flight testing and cross

country

lately. See the Marske site for details.
-mat
--
Marske Flying Wings
http://www.continuo.com/marske






A monarch isn't a ventus, but a J3 Cub isn't a Mooney either.
To be honest, the monarch looks like an incredibly fun glider to fly.
We don't tell 1-26 or K-6 drivers to go away simply because they can't
compete with the glass boys; Oh wait a minute, Didn't Dave Stevenson
just come in third place with a K6????

Maybe a Marske can't get the xcountry range of a Ventus, but I was
thrilled beyond belief when I made my first 12 mile fligh in a hang
glider and made it back to the LZ.

If I had time, I would love to have a J3, a Monarch, a Grumman Tiger, a
Hang glider, and a K6E in addition to my LS3. Might as throw in a BMW
motorcyle while I'm at it.

I really wouldn't want to replace my LS3 with a Ventus. If I did, I
wouldn't have an excuse for doing so poorly. :-)

I am, and have always been, fascinated by the Horton Flying wing. Have
you seen the aspect ratio on their last glider? It's incredible. I am
curious as to the actual aspect ratio and L/D.

I am glad that Marske is venturing into that realm.

There is room enough in this group for all forms of soaring without a
bunch of bickering. I'm glad Mat is keeping us informed.

Marty Pautz

Now its complete, just like old times!

At 02:48 29 June 2004, Lennie The Lurker wrote:
'mat Redsell' wrote in message news:...

Please someone put a full name to Al so I can list
his comments in my
History of the Marske flying wing under the Flying
wing misconceptions and
prejudice chapter, at least I have a chance to have
the last chuckle.

Alastair MacDonald, lives in some kind of slum near
Minden.