SeeYou

As soon as my subscription runs out, the program starts acting up. This really ****es me off. I paid for the program and the fact that they sabotage it to get you to purchase the upgrade is very disappointing. If I don't want the "improvements", the program that I paid for should still work. In my opinion, that is a crappy way to do business... Is this the way things are done these days?

Boggs

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:16:44 PM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote:
As soon as my subscription runs out, the program starts acting up. This really ****es me off. I paid for the program and the fact that they sabotage it to get you to purchase the upgrade is very disappointing. If I don't want the "improvements", the program that I paid for should still work. In my opinion, that is a crappy way to do business... Is this the way things are done these days?

Boggs

Software is changing and many companies are moving to a "subscription" model. That allows for a revenue stream to support the software and updates. Some positives and some negatives, but that's the way the world is going. It occasionally irritates me, but looking at what it takes to keep a business running I can understand why this has evolved this way.

Things like XCsoar, Tophat, and LK8000 are the product of a dedicated group of volunteers. We should commend those putting in that kind of effort for the good of this community. Likewise we shouldn't begrudge someone trying to make a living off of a very small market segment. Without folks willing to do this we'd be a lot poorer off.

My $0.02

Cheers,
Craig

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 7:16:44 PM UTC-6, Waveguru wrote:
As soon as my subscription runs out, the program starts acting up. This really ****es me off. I paid for the program and the fact that they sabotage it to get you to purchase the upgrade is very disappointing. If I don't want the "improvements", the program that I paid for should still work. In my opinion, that is a crappy way to do business... Is this the way things are done these days?

Boggs

Not as polished as SeeYou, but I think they have better maps and do the basics well enough.

https://www.soaringlab.eu/

Mike

I still use an old but fully functional version that runs right out of a folder. No install needed.
Software as a service is simply a ripoff.

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 11:43:45 PM UTC-4, Charlie Quebec wrote:
I still use an old but fully functional version that runs right out of a folder. No install needed.
Software as a service is simply a ripoff.

Mine is a couple of versions out of date, and it still works well. Perhaps you should try to re-install. I have asked for links to older versions, and they supply them with no problem (I lost my hard drive with no back-up). I use Windows 10 Home 64 bit.

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 9:16:44 PM UTC-4, Waveguru wrote:
As soon as my subscription runs out, the program starts acting up. This really ****es me off. I paid for the program and the fact that they sabotage it to get you to purchase the upgrade is very disappointing. If I don't want the "improvements", the program that I paid for should still work. In my opinion, that is a crappy way to do business... Is this the way things are done these days?

Boggs

naviter has good support. Email 'em.

The only thing that should be subscription related is access to their cloud servers. Everything else should work including map and satellite imagery downloads as needed.

What may have happened is that you (automatically, or inadvertently) updated to a version that you don't have the license to use to since your subscription expired. So it's running in demo mode and shedding features over time (that's a naviter thing). In this event, they can send you a link to the installer for the version you are licensed to run, reinstall, all should be well.

I use v 7.something.

T8

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:16:44 PM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote:
As soon as my subscription runs out, the program starts acting up. This really ****es me off. I paid for the program and the fact that they sabotage it to get you to purchase the upgrade is very disappointing. If I don't want the "improvements", the program that I paid for should still work. In my opinion, that is a crappy way to do business... Is this the way things are done these days?

Boggs

If you kept the installer file, you can go back to something like version 5..36. It leaves you alone.
I keep 9.1 and 5.36 installed.
Jim

JS wrote on 7/25/2018 8:46 AM:
On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:16:44 PM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote:
As soon as my subscription runs out, the program starts acting up. This really ****es me off. I paid for the program and the fact that they sabotage it to get you to purchase the upgrade is very disappointing. If I don't want the "improvements", the program that I paid for should still work. In my opinion, that is a crappy way to do business... Is this the way things are done these days?

Boggs

If you kept the installer file, you can go back to something like version 5..36. It leaves you alone.
I keep 9.1 and 5.36 installed.
Jim

I stopped updating at version 5.43, when they began the subscription service.
Works fine, but it does nag for a moment at startup.

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- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
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Will try and dig out the patch to fix the nag screen for you.

On Wednesday, 25 July 2018 11:16:44 UTC+10, Waveguru wrote:
As soon as my subscription runs out, the program starts acting up. This really ****es me off. I paid for the program and the fact that they sabotage it to get you to purchase the upgrade is very disappointing. If I don't want the "improvements", the program that I paid for should still work. In my opinion, that is a crappy way to do business... Is this the way things are done these days?

Boggs

From Naviter website

"SeeYou license is perpetual and includes one year of free product upgrades from the purchase date, including major version upgrades within one year of purchase. SeeYou license includes also iPhone, iPad and Android versions. Some of the features require current subscription in order to function: SeeYou on iPhone, iPad and Android runs, weather integration and airspace database updates. Note that one SeeYou Subscription covers SeeYou and SeeYou Mobile upgrades if you own both!"

So it would seem to me that for the PC based product you can stop paying subscription and the version that you currently have working will continue to work normally.

Cheers

Paul