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I searched and did not find that this topic was already posted on RAS.
Here's the video that documents the infraction https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ure=emb_lo go Here's Bruno's recent comment: 2 weeks ago Update 10 months later: I uploaded this video and 4 days later had over 200k views. The video got reported and the FAA had serious concerns with this performance/flight. Lesson learned: Don't fly any kind of performance for any group or crowd (even if asked by the airshow management and cleared through the airboss) if you are NOT an approved airshow performer (have something called a SAC card)!!! The FAA will surely come after you with violations. The end result for me: $$ thousands spent on legal fees and I will soon be taking a 7 month break from flying. ![]() |
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Kudos to Bruno for his honesty in posting the update on his YouTube video. Tough lesson learned by one of the best promoters of soaring.
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Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him occasionally on FB for advice.
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On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley wrote:
Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him occasionally on FB for advice. Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been involved in several as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is their duty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the regulations, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of these regulations (https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V..._006_001.htm): 1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic Competency (SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B). a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the horizon. b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon. 2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B). a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt maneuvering, crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon. b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes formation separation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75 degrees in reference to the horizon. All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft certification. Tom |
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On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:25:20 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley wrote: Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him occasionally on FB for advice. Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been involved in several as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is their duty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the regulations, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of these regulations (https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V..._006_001.htm): 1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic Competency (SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B). a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the horizon. b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon. 2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B). a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt maneuvering, crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon. b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes formation separation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75 degrees in reference to the horizon. All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft certification. Tom turd in the punch bowl n. A person who spoils a pleasant social situation. This metaphor is powered by a particularly vivid contrast: the inviting sensory appeal of a festive beverage juxtaposed with the revolting suggestion of feculent contagion. Therefore, labeling someone a turd in the punch bowl is most appropriate when the individual's deleterious influence goes beyond mere faux pas or nuisance behaviors, and rises to the level of deliberate offense for its own sake. Consider that the literal act of depositing or excreting fecal matter into a communal food-service container would be sabotage. The punch bowl and the feces connote certain additional nuances. The former is a symbol of public community, as such dispensers are frequently encountered at parties where they become a focal point for interaction. Freud famously identified feces with aggression and the possessive instinct. Thus a turd in the punch bowl suggests rage toward, and / or the urge to conquer, a community or society as a whole. Defecating into a punch bowl is a very public act, in contrast with poisoning the well or laying an upper decker, which are generally surreptitious. In particular then, to be a turd in the punch bowl is to be a willful and attention-seeking obstructor to the success of a social community. |
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My sympathy is with is with Bruno but!!!
In England 3 or so years back an occasional display pilot got it wrong at an air show and put his vintage jet onto the highwayman ,many dead but not him.The aftermath is still going on. It's not just the licence the whole flight has to be thought out ,written out and agreed with every one. If that was done the organises would have had to ask for all the paperwork to show their "duty of care",it's not just Bruno's fault. At a UK comp you need your comp licence ,glider inspection certs ,insurance and medical cert to compete.Because the organisers can't afford any jack the lad thats done a bit turning up and putting everyone else's life at risk. And they do "forget their medical has lapsed or they forgot to pay the insurance" .Thats why we check At 17:11 27 June 2020, Scott Williams wrote: On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:25:20 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote: On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley wrote: Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him occasionally on FB= for advice. =20 Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been involved in s= everal as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is their d= uty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the regulations= , as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of these re= gulations (https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V...%20Admin/Chapt er%20= 06/03_006_001.htm): =20 1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic Competency= (SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see s= ubparagraph 3-146B). a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude = of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/o= r the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the horizon. b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch atti= tude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon a= nd/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon. 2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic maneuvering endo= rsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B). a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt maneuvering, = crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations = are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 deg= rees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal= to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon. b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes formation separ= ation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing maneuver= s, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitc= h attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or bel= ow the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75 degrees in= reference to the horizon. =20 All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft certification. =20 Tom turd in the punch bowl n. A person who spoils a pleasant social situation. This metaphor is powered by a particularly vivid contrast: the inviting sen= sory appeal of a festive beverage juxtaposed with the revolting suggestion = of feculent contagion. Therefore, labeling someone a turd in the punch bowl= is most appropriate when the individual's deleterious influence goes beyon= d mere faux pas or nuisance behaviors, and rises to the level of deliberate= offense for its own sake. Consider that the literal act of depositing or e= xcreting fecal matter into a communal food-service container would be sabot= age. The punch bowl and the feces connote certain additional nuances. The former= is a symbol of public community, as such dispensers are frequently encount= ered at parties where they become a focal point for interaction. Freud famo= usly identified feces with aggression and the possessive instinct. Thus a t= urd in the punch bowl suggests rage toward, and / or the urge to conquer, a= community or society as a whole. Defecating into a punch bowl is a very pu= blic act, in contrast with poisoning the well or laying an upper decker, wh= ich are generally surreptitious. In particular then, to be a turd in the pu= nch bowl is to be a willful and attention-seeking obstructor to the success= of a social community. |
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I have had direct and positive/negative experiences with the FAA (or their assigns, agents, etc etc, ad nauseum, kiss my ass I'm not a lawyer).
Somebody made the point (read the comments) that nobody at Boeing has gone to jail for the (real) deaths caused by the 737 Max. For those who missed it (or just don't give a ****), Boeing pushed for certification that did NOT require additional training for that aircraft. They did that DESPITE the fact it has fundamentally different ways of measuring AOA AND the fact of the matter is their official, published procedure, when followed, does not work. They did that at the same time they marketed it to third world carriers. So....just to summarize - Boeing ACTUALLY kills people - gets off scot free with the FAA Bruno breaks a rule or two, gets a 7 month suspension. Anybody else see anything wrong with this? |
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Too True!
The stated mission of the F.A.A. To promote (huge corporations) and regulate (the little guy) Aviation. Don't be the little guy! |
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To Shaun's statement,
Yes there is plenty wrong with your comments. For one, many areas of litigation concerning the Max events are no where near over so to say they got away free is grossly inaccurate. |
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Definitely unfortunate, but a teaching moment compliments of Bruno.
In getting a private, there is FAR 91.303. Section e appears to cover the low pass. Sections a and b seem hard to avoid for the loops. Is there another FAR specifically related to the video? Not sure about the SAC. It appears to be a carefully controlled path to exempt 91.103 to allow an airshow? § 91.303 Aerobatic flight. No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight - (a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement; (b) Over an open air assembly of persons; (c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport; (d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway; (e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or (f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles. For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight. [Doc. No. 18834, 54 FR 34308, Aug. 18, 1989, as amended by Amdt. 91-227, 56 FR 65661, Dec. 17, 1991] |
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