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I was told by one of my college math teachers that there was an engineering
calculation in the early sidewinder days that involved a division by ZERO. No one could figure it out so they ignored it. The missile when launched destroyed itself in flight and the fix was to place a cross member in the body of the missile which then made the equation work properly Can anyone confirm or or deny this srory? Could have been sparrow but I'm pretty sure he said sidewinder. Instrucor was often freelancing as an emgineering consultant |
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![]() "leadfoot" wrote in message news:50une.14524$7p.11605@fed1read06... I was told by one of my college math teachers that there was an engineering calculation in the early sidewinder days that involved a division by ZERO. No one could figure it out so they ignored it. The missile when launched destroyed itself in flight and the fix was to place a cross member in the body of the missile which then made the equation work properly Can anyone confirm or or deny this srory? Could have been sparrow but I'm pretty sure he said sidewinder. Instrucor was often freelancing as an emgineering consultant Sounds something like the installation of the mask dead ahead in the seeker so that it essentially aims for a point where it does *not* detect the heat source. That solved a lot of problems. JK |
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![]() "Jim Knoyle" wrote in message ... "leadfoot" wrote in message news:50une.14524$7p.11605@fed1read06... I was told by one of my college math teachers that there was an engineering calculation in the early sidewinder days that involved a division by ZERO. No one could figure it out so they ignored it. The missile when launched destroyed itself in flight and the fix was to place a cross member in the body of the missile which then made the equation work properly Can anyone confirm or or deny this srory? Could have been sparrow but I'm pretty sure he said sidewinder. Instrucor was often freelancing as an emgineering consultant Sounds something like the installation of the mask dead ahead in the seeker so that it essentially aims for a point where it does *not* detect the heat source. That solved a lot of problems. Would it's abscene cause the missile to destroy itsekf in flight? JK |
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![]() leadfoot wrote: I was told by one of my college math teachers that there was an engineering calculation in the early sidewinder days that involved a division by ZERO. No one could figure it out so they ignored it. The missile when launched destroyed itself in flight and the fix was to place a cross member in the body of the missile which then made the equation work properly Can anyone confirm or or deny this srory? Could have been sparrow but I'm pretty sure he said sidewinder. Instrucor was often freelancing as an emgineering consultant Perhaps a corruption of this: http://tinyurl.com/cu3rg |
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It is difficult to see where a division opperation of two variables is
needed in an early sidewinder. An analog multiplier in such a situation is likely to saturate at full output. As I understand it the early sidewinders simply followed the target and didn't solve an system of differential equations that might lead to a singularity. Do you have more data on the nature of the divide by zero? Most of the analog dividers I have seen actually produce the output Xo = (X1 x X2)/Y. In other words they are intrinsically dividers and multipliers. There are 'feedback multipliers', (that also do division), Dynameter multiplier/dividers that use two moving coils in coonected by shaft in oppostion that are blanced with a feedback circuit and photocells, electron beam multipliers (use a cathode tube with two pair of deflection plates and balance a phosphor dot on a screen by photocell, 'servo mulitpliers'(slow but accurate), 'heat trasfer multiliers' (good for 10 hertz), Simulataneous Pusle Width and Pulse Amplitude multipliers, electronic time division multipliers. (Dozens more in my copy of 'electronic analog computers by Korn and Korn of 1956). http://www.sci.fi/~fta/aim9.html Reticle Seekers - A Brief Tutorial The reticle seeker is the most common optical system design employed in conventional heat seeking missiles. Invented by the Germans during the latter phase of WW2, the reticle seeker provides a means of using a single detector element to produce an error signal in rectangular coordinates, with respect to a point target somewhere within the cone which represents the field of view of the seeker. The technique is based on the idea of mechanically chopping the light flux which impinges on a detector, in such a fashion that the characteristics of the chopped light pulses vary with the position of the light source in the field of view. Because the detector produces an electrical signal directly proportional to the impinging light flux, electronic hardware can be built to extract a positional error signal in x/y coordinates, suitable for driving a missile autopilot (or other tracking device). The simplest strategy for designing a rotating reticle seeker is the Amplitude Modulation technique, such seekers being commonly referred to as AM seekers. In an AM seeker of conventional design, the light collected by a mirror system is focussed to a spot on the detector. In between the detector and optics lies a whirling disc of optically suitable (transparent) material, which has translucent and opaque patterns etched on its surface, to interrupt the flux of infrared light. In an AM seeker, one half of the disc is translucent, and the other half covered by a spoke pattern, radiating from the centre of the disc. The result of this is pattern is an optical/electrical signal which is a series of pulses, repeating with every revolution of the reticle. The timing of these pulses with respect to the rotation of the reticle produces a phase signal which is proportional to the position in one axis, while the amplitude (size or strength) of the pulses provides an error signal proportional to the position in the other axis. The limitation of the AM seeker lies in the performance of the AM detection (here x-axis) circuits, as the average signal from the detector becomes quite weak in one direction thus producing poor tracking performance in this axis. A scheme to resolve this is what is termed frequency modulation (FM), whereby the number of spokes varies with the radial distance from the centre of the reticle. In this fashion a target closer to the centre of the reticle produces a smaller number of pulses per revolution than a target closer to the outer edge of the reticle. As a result the error signal in the radial axis of the reticle can be resolved by a frequency discrimination circuit which is locked to a reference frequency signal produced by the reticle motor. Practical seekers use a range of variations on these two themes, with various schemes using fixed cassegrainian mirrors and moving reticles, or rotating secondary mirrors and fixed reticles, the latter arrangement used in the Sidewinder family. Other design issues in reticle seekers revolve about the detector element, its supporting optics and cooling system employed. The detector is a small piece of semiconductor material with suitable photo-electric properties, ie it changes its electrical resistance or produces an electrical current or voltage when illuminated. The key design parameters in choosing a detector are sensitivity, a measure of how faint a light signal will generate a useful electrical response, and colour sensitivity, a measure of which visible or infrared wavelengths will or will not produce a response. Most semiconductors used for the purpose have some characteristic longest wavelength to which they respond, while producing output for all shorter (hotter) wavelengths. Therefore some detector materials can see only hot objects like tailpipes, whereas others can see the whole aircraft. Because all hot objects, such as the sun or flares, emit infrared blackbody radiation, a missile seeker must have means of reducing or removing such sources of infrared light to prevent seeker seduction. Therefore optical filters are used. These filters are typically made of a rare earth doped glass, with a multiple layer interference filter deposited on the surface. Such filters are essentially transparent over a narrow range of colours and opaque to all others, therefore passing only the desired infrared colour through to the detector. Cooling the detector is a means of improving its sensitivity. Even the meagre amount of heat in a detector at room temperature will produce a response in a good material, resulting in thermal noise which would mask the target, therefore the detector must be cooled to prevent this. Two strategies are typically used for this purpose, thermoelectric cooling with a Peltier device or gas cooling. A Peltier is a thermocouple which acts as a heat pump, albeit very inefficient, when electrical current is passed through it. Gas cooling relies on the expansion of compressed gas, and while lighter than Peltier schemes, usually imposes a limit on total seeker cooling time when the gas bottle is exhausted. The evolution of heatseeking missiles over the last four decades has seen almost every one of these schemes, or combinations thereof employed. The Sidewinder is a good instance. |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:40:35 -0700, Eunometic wrote
(in article .com): Dozens more in my copy of 'electronic analog computers by Korn and Korn of 1956 I think I have Volume II but it is in storage. Is that the complete name? (Love analog). I have an initial condition/gain block in storage as well. 100 ten turn Beckman pots with a bunch of shafts and clutches to set them up for a specific solution. -- Charlie Springer |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:40:35 -0700, Eunometic wrote
(in article .com): The limitation of the AM seeker lies in the performance of the AM detection (here x-axis) circuits, as the average signal from the detector becomes quite weak in one direction thus producing poor tracking performance in this axis. A scheme to resolve this is what is termed frequency modulation (FM), whereby the number of spokes varies with the radial distance from the centre of the reticle. What do you call the no spokes version where you need to know the angular position of the reticle? Say, from a synchronous motor's phase. I tried to make one for tracking stars once long ago with a PMT. I still want to make one work. -- Charlie Springer |
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![]() Charlie Springer wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:40:35 -0700, Eunometic wrote (in article .com): The limitation of the AM seeker lies in the performance of the AM detection (here x-axis) circuits, as the average signal from the detector becomes quite weak in one direction thus producing poor tracking performance in this axis. A scheme to resolve this is what is termed frequency modulation (FM), whereby the number of spokes varies with the radial distance from the centre of the reticle. What do you call the no spokes version where you need to know the angular position of the reticle? Say, from a synchronous motor's phase. I tried to make one for tracking stars once long ago with a PMT. I still want to make one work. -- Charlie Springer I'm not sure I understand what you mean. There were 'rossete scans' that ended up in latter versions of sidewinder thse use a sort of rotating and oscialting mirror. These also ended up in early German infrared seekers intended for terminal homing on the Wasserfall missile but actually derived from infrared imaging systems such as "Spanner". The Basic AM seekers consists of a rotating transparent disk the half segment of which is 'greyed' out with a fine speckled pattern of dots to let in half the infrared light, the other half might consist of a few dozen spokes. As it rotatres the infrared image produces either a steady flat signal from the greyed portion or a series of high frequency pulses from the spokes. The average instensity is the same. A low pass and high pass filter distinquises the two and the phase relative to the position of the disk determin the angle though not the distance from the center. In one of the German versions intended for the X-4 missile the disk did not rotate but the whole missile did instead. A single gyroscope spun up at launch by a gramm of gunpowder acting through a commutator kept track of "up" Sidewinder I believe never had gyroscopes but used little wind driven turbines in the tail acting as gyroscopes that mechanically acted on little tail elevators to roll stabalise the missile. It rotated so slowly it didn't matter to the seeker. Brilliant. FM seekers are like AM ones only have another ring (or two or three) with a different spoke pattern around the disk to widen the acquisition angle but make the tracking more precise. I think rossete scans took over a long time ago due to their higher resistence to jamming and now imaging array systems. The British Redtop missile (used on the lighting inteceptor) used a different more sophisticated pattern. Its rotating disk 12 scimitar spokes each of which had a different curve and width to the scimitar as it widened toward the periphery. Thus the phase determined the angle and the 'length' of the pulse the distance from the central axis. I guess you'd call it 'phase modulation'. I guess you could used 4 infrard photodetector arranged in a pie shape, you even buy these from electronics suppliers such as RS components, but the usual problem with these is that each must have exactly the same gain and chracteristics. |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:39:21 -0700, Eunometic wrote
(in article . com): I'm not sure I understand what you mean. There were 'rossete scans' that ended up in latter versions of sidewinder thse use a sort of rotating and oscialting mirror. These also ended up in early German infrared seekers intended for terminal homing on the Wasserfall missile but actually derived from infrared imaging systems such as "Spanner". There is a tracker form with a reticule that is half transparent and half opaque and spun by a synchronous motor, so there is a reference for the position of the reticle over time. The amount of time and the angle over which the target is obscured generates the error signal. When perfectly centered the signal is constant (half is always blocked). If I could center it well enough, I could half mask the secondary of a Cassigrain and spin it. I just find the analog solution more satisfying than a digital image tracker. I thought the turbine wheels in the fins of the Sidewinder were stabilizers and generators, so it didn't need any batteries. I may be thinking of something else. -- Charlie Springer |
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Charlie Springer wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:39:21 -0700, Eunometic wrote (in article . com): I'm not sure I understand what you mean. There were 'rossete scans' that ended up in latter versions of sidewinder thse use a sort of rotating and oscialting mirror. These also ended up in early German infrared seekers intended for terminal homing on the Wasserfall missile but actually derived from infrared imaging systems such as "Spanner". There is a tracker form with a reticule that is half transparent and half opaque and spun by a synchronous motor, so there is a reference for the position of the reticle over time. The amount of time and the angle over which the target is obscured generates the error signal. When perfectly centered the signal is constant (half is always blocked). If I could center it well enough, I could half mask the secondary of a Cassigrain and spin it. I just find the analog solution more satisfying than a digital image tracker. I thought the turbine wheels in the fins of the Sidewinder were stabilizers and generators, so it didn't need any batteries. I may be thinking of something else. Not generators. The AIM-9B-J used a gas-grain generator for power. Guy |
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