GA headed for regulatory trouble

The recent spate of private pilots violating restricted airspace over
Washington raises the thought that some lawmaker is going to decide
that general aviation is a threat to national security. It's only a
matter of time.

Just something else for our lobbyists to be prepared for.

AJ Harris

wrote in message
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The recent spate of private pilots violating restricted airspace over
Washington raises the thought that some lawmaker is going to decide
that general aviation is a threat to national security. It's only a
matter of time.

Just something else for our lobbyists to be prepared for.

AJ Harris


Then Its a matter of time that some lawmaker will be losing their jobs!!!

Obviously shooting these a couple of these planes down is impractical. (but
I firmly believe you wouldn't have to kill many before no one would wander
there again)
Are there any other reasonable consequences that would major deterrent? Part
of the problem is that it is not a big enough inconvenience for violators.
I would rather that the aviation community help find a solution before an
irrational governmental body imposes useless painful legislation upon all
the rest of us. We need to "take care of our own".
Is "Federal pound me in the ass" prison enough? (with huge bail, so they
would be massively inconvenienced)

We as pilots would have to support it. Less incursions is safer for us
(the aviation community)


wrote in message
ups.com...
The recent spate of private pilots violating restricted airspace over
Washington raises the thought that some lawmaker is going to decide
that general aviation is a threat to national security. It's only a
matter of time.

Just something else for our lobbyists to be prepared for.

AJ Harris

We as pilots would have to support it. Less incursions is safer for us
(the aviation community)

Why do I find it hard to believe that a King Air 300 "accidentally"
penetrated the ADIZ? I just flew in that ADIZ a couple of weeks ago, and
it's hard to imagine "accidentally" entering this incredibly well-marked,
highly defended piece of territory.

Personally, I'll bet when all the evidence is examined we will find that the
pilot diverted for weather (as stated), that the local controller knew this,
and that somehow that information didn't get passed around to the
appropriate controllers.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Acording to the news reports, he cancelled IFR and/or squawked VFR before
this happened. If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR system.
However, I suppose an unavoidable separation conflict could have required an
IFR cancellation to avoid a violation of the separation kind. Anyone out
there ever experience a similar situation (non-ADIZ, T-storm, traffic
problem)?

Marco Leon

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newsiUwe.104671$_o.40806@attbi_s71...
We as pilots would have to support it. Less incursions is safer for
us
(the aviation community)

Why do I find it hard to believe that a King Air 300 "accidentally"
penetrated the ADIZ? I just flew in that ADIZ a couple of weeks ago,
and
it's hard to imagine "accidentally" entering this incredibly well-marked,
highly defended piece of territory.

Personally, I'll bet when all the evidence is examined we will find that
the
pilot diverted for weather (as stated), that the local controller knew
this,
and that somehow that information didn't get passed around to the
appropriate controllers.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"





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Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR system.

Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.

--
Peter
























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Peter R. wrote:
Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:
If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR system.

Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.

There was definitely a line of severe storms oriented east-west and moving
south through the ADIZ at around the time he busted it. I suspect he got
caught between the storm and the ADIZ boundary and clipped the edge while
avoiding the storm.

--- Jay


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"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR
system.

Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.

--
Peter

Really? I thought the procedure was to tell the controller: "N12345 is
deviating north around convective activity" and let the controller sort it
out. In the end, it is the pilot's responsibility to manage the safety of
his craft, not the controller's...

"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote:

Acording to the news reports, he cancelled IFR and/or squawked VFR before
this happened.

Where have you seen this? I looked around this morning, and didn't find
anything at that level of detail.

- Andrew

Yeah, I agree that its only a matter of time. That huge AOPA staff that
you guys pay for can only protect you for so long. There have been a
number of close calls for innocents on the ground (the trailer park homes
that were destroyed, highway crashes in Calif, the home that was destroyed
in texas, etc.), but eventually some GA pilot is going to cause alot of
innocents to die (Of course people will post the usual drivel he
"condolences to the pilot -- he was really good -- we'll miss him, yada
yada yada). When that happens, there will really generate alot of
headlines.

But, the truth is coming out. About the total disregard many of you have
for noise, safety, etc. as well as the huge taxpayer subsidies that GA
airports receive.

There is a nationwide meeting of anti aviation activists coming up next
weekend. With all the news you guys are generating (high profile crashes
all over the country, kids stealing planes, constant intrusions into the
DC ADIZ, the truth about who pays to subsidize your fun (taxpayers), etc.
we have plenty of ammunition to put some sanity into this business.

SKYLUNE is always watching.