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A friend of mine is planning to build a trike (powered hang glider).
Could anyone recommend some books about hang glider wing aerodynamics and design? Thank you in advance. Shin Gou |
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![]() "Shin Gou" wrote in message om... A friend of mine is planning to build a trike (powered hang glider). Could anyone recommend some books about hang glider wing aerodynamics and design? Thank you in advance. Shin Gou Shin The Rogallo wing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogallo_wing has a trick associated with it. I do not remember the specifics, but it has something to do with rigging the outside trailing edge so that it deforms differently than it otherwise would. This is what makes it stable. We had a Russian fellow killed up here a few years back, because his new design did not include this. I can't find a referance to this specifically, but this: http://www.davisstraub.com/Glide/airworthiness.htm might help. Tell your friend to be careful. The differance between a good trike and a death trap is very small. |
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Ron Webb wrote:
"Shin Gou" wrote in message om... A friend of mine is planning to build a trike (powered hang glider). Could anyone recommend some books about hang glider wing aerodynamics and design? Thank you in advance. Shin Gou Shin The Rogallo wing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogallo_wing has a trick associated with it. I do not remember the specifics, but it has something to do with rigging the outside trailing edge so that it deforms differently than it otherwise would. This is what makes it stable. We had a Russian fellow killed up here a few years back, because his new design did not include this. I can't find a referance to this specifically, but this: http://www.davisstraub.com/Glide/airworthiness.htm might help. Tell your friend to be careful. The differance between a good trike and a death trap is very small. Tell your friend it's cheaper to buy a used hang glider than to build, much less design, a wing for a trike. I have one which was originally designed for a trike, A Flight Designs Demon, you could have for US$500 if you're interested. There's lots of them lying around, though. What the above poster was likely referring to is called "Washout" and is often built into a flex type hang glider wing through the incorporation of "Luff" lines which are attached to the kingpost and attached to the trailing edge of the sail at symmetrical stations out to the tip. Generally, there are four to a side but that is not a hard, fast, rule. When a hang glider dives, not having the stabilizer group aft, it is at risk of "tuck" and immediately that will be followed by a "tumble" if you're not too close to the ground. If you are close to the ground, say within 50 feet, a tuck will be immediately followed by "thunk" and likely "cra-ack" which is generally the last sound that particular pilot will hear in his lifetime. A tumble is equally likely to culminate with such noises as "thunk" and "cra-ack" and is usually terminal to the pilot and glider. A tumble enjoys the dubious distinction of other noises such as on-lookers screaming and the more knowledgeable among them shouting "Deploy!, Dude! Deploy!" under the assumption that you have a parachute. But, I digress. Without luff lines, a hang glider tends to dive steeply enough that it cannot recover. Luff lines hold the trailing edge in place relative to the kingpost, and the rest of the non-flexible structure of the glider. In a dive, the air pressure increases on the upper surface of the wing, and since the wing is flexible, it gets depressed into the structure of the glider airframe. The luff lines hold the trailing edge "up" in that situation, causing the nose of the glider to be raised, restoring the appropriate angle of attack and re-pressurizing the under surface, which is the desired result. The pilot feels this as increased pressure outward or forward on the control bar and must exert more physical pull on the control bar to counter it. I must note here that the luff lines actually do their work in situations of increased speed as well as in decreased angle of attack. Anyway, if the pilot overcomes this pressure the glider will eventually stall. Theoretically, even if the nose were pointed in the same exact direction as gravitational force, an aircraft can be in a stall condition. A friend described this to me from his aerobatics lessons in a Pitts S2. The bottom line is, tell your friend there is not much reason to design a wing unless he's inclined to compete with the big hang glider manufacturers. Some of their test pilots have died, so more than one is required to get a new design into the marketplace. AL |
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![]() AL Mills wrote: Ron Webb wrote: "Shin Gou" wrote in message om... A friend of mine is planning to build a trike (powered hang glider). Could anyone recommend some books about hang glider wing aerodynamics and design? Thank you in advance. Shin Gou Shin The Rogallo wing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogallo_wing has a trick associated with it. I do not remember the specifics, but it has something to do with rigging the outside trailing edge so that it deforms differently than it otherwise would. This is what makes it stable. We had a Russian fellow killed up here a few years back, because his new design did not include this. I can't find a referance to this specifically, but this: http://www.davisstraub.com/Glide/airworthiness.htm might help. Tell your friend to be careful. The differance between a good trike and a death trap is very small. Tell your friend it's cheaper to buy a used hang glider than to build, much less design, a wing for a trike. I have one which was originally designed for a trike, A Flight Designs Demon, you could have for US$500 if you're interested. There's lots of them lying around, though. What the above poster was likely referring to is called "Washout" and is often built into a flex type hang glider wing through the incorporation of "Luff" lines which are attached to the kingpost and attached to the trailing edge of the sail at symmetrical stations out to the tip. Generally, there are four to a side but that is not a hard, fast, rule. When a hang glider dives, not having the stabilizer group aft, it is at risk of "tuck" and immediately that will be followed by a "tumble" if you're not too close to the ground. If you are close to the ground, say within 50 feet, a tuck will be immediately followed by "thunk" and likely "cra-ack" which is generally the last sound that particular pilot will hear in his lifetime. A tumble is equally likely to culminate with such noises as "thunk" and "cra-ack" and is usually terminal to the pilot and glider. A tumble enjoys the dubious distinction of other noises such as on-lookers screaming and the more knowledgeable among them shouting "Deploy!, Dude! Deploy!" under the assumption that you have a parachute. But, I digress. Without luff lines, a hang glider tends to dive steeply enough that it cannot recover. Luff lines hold the trailing edge in place relative to the kingpost, and the rest of the non-flexible structure of the glider. In a dive, the air pressure increases on the upper surface of the wing, and since the wing is flexible, it gets depressed into the structure of the glider airframe. The luff lines hold the trailing edge "up" in that situation, causing the nose of the glider to be raised, restoring the appropriate angle of attack and re-pressurizing the under surface, which is the desired result. The pilot feels this as increased pressure outward or forward on the control bar and must exert more physical pull on the control bar to counter it. I must note here that the luff lines actually do their work in situations of increased speed as well as in decreased angle of attack. Anyway, if the pilot overcomes this pressure the glider will eventually stall. Theoretically, even if the nose were pointed in the same exact direction as gravitational force, an aircraft can be in a stall condition. A friend described this to me from his aerobatics lessons in a Pitts S2. The bottom line is, tell your friend there is not much reason to design a wing unless he's inclined to compete with the big hang glider manufacturers. Some of their test pilots have died, so more than one is required to get a new design into the marketplace. AL |
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