"position & hold" going away

I saw an announcement on Aeronews this morning that the FAA is
proposing that the "taxi into position and hold" process used at
virtually all towered airports be discontinued.

This is really gonna work great at places like Newark, LaGuardia, and
OHare.

Yea.. just think of all the near collisions it will avoid!

Dave

Paul kgyy wrote:

I saw an announcement on Aeronews this morning that the FAA is
proposing that the "taxi into position and hold" process used at
virtually all towered airports be discontinued.

This is really gonna work great at places like Newark, LaGuardia, and
OHare.

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...

Yea.. just think of all the near collisions it will avoid!


How many?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...

Yea.. just think of all the near collisions it will avoid!



How many?


Up to ALL of them on the runway? In theory, of course, :P

Dave

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...

Up to ALL of them on the runway? In theory, of course, :P


How many is that? What's the historical trend?

Most of the near collisions on the runway that I am aware of have
involved aircraft that were either both taking off or both were landing.

That's hard to believe. P&H really saves a lot of time when the runway
is really busy. The only way I can see this working is if pilot learn
how to do "cleared for immediate takeoff". Most controllers avoid this
because "immediate" for many pilots means sitting on the runway while
they go through their last checklist.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
That's hard to believe. P&H really saves a lot of time when the runway
is really busy. The only way I can see this working is if pilot learn
how to do "cleared for immediate takeoff". Most controllers avoid this
because "immediate" for many pilots means sitting on the runway while
they go through their last checklist.

A lot of time? I don't see it. Unless the hold line is way back from
the runway, I can typically taxi onto the active and be rolling at full
throttle in 10 seconds or less. All they need to do is clear me for
takeoff when the airplane that just landed is 10 seconds or so from
clearing the runway and no time at all will be lost.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

A lot of time? I don't see it. Unless the hold line is way back from the
runway, I can typically taxi onto the active and be rolling at full
throttle in 10 seconds or less. All they need to do is clear me for
takeoff when the airplane that just landed is 10 seconds or so from
clearing the runway and no time at all will be lost.


How long do you think it takes a heavy to do the same?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

A lot of time? I don't see it. Unless the hold line is way back from the
runway, I can typically taxi onto the active and be rolling at full
throttle in 10 seconds or less. All they need to do is clear me for
takeoff when the airplane that just landed is 10 seconds or so from
clearing the runway and no time at all will be lost.



How long do you think it takes a heavy to do the same?



The one's I've flown take maybe 20-30 seconds. So, you just lead them a
little more while the landing airplane is rolling out. I don't think
this is any less safe then P&H. I didn't mind P&H in my Skylane as I
could see out the back windows enough to tell if someone was going to
land on me. However, in the Arrow I now fly, you are blind towards the
rear.


Matt