G-Meters

Hi,

I want to be able to stock and sell G-Meters for my soaring pilot customers.
I am having a difficult time finding vendors.

The Falcon line looks interesting, but it is for experimental aircraft
only - if I understand their web site correctly - they sell non-TSO'd
instruments. http://www.falcongauge.com/

I'd really like to find a source that is OK for use in any glider.

Any suggestions? What brand do you have in your glider?

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

One additional note. I just noticed that the "Falcon Gauge" products are
sometimes referred to as "Wultrad" products.

Paul

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:R7B0f.395000$_o.161851@attbi_s71...
Hi,

I want to be able to stock and sell G-Meters for my soaring pilot
customers. I am having a difficult time finding vendors.

The Falcon line looks interesting, but it is for experimental aircraft
only - if I understand their web site correctly - they sell non-TSO'd
instruments. http://www.falcongauge.com/

I'd really like to find a source that is OK for use in any glider.

Any suggestions? What brand do you have in your glider?

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

and non-certified.........as noted on my website
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page23.htm
tim
Wings & Wheels
www.wingsandwheels.com


"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:1qB0f.444911$xm3.360949@attbi_s21...
One additional note. I just noticed that the "Falcon Gauge" products are
sometimes referred to as "Wultrad" products.

Paul

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:R7B0f.395000$_o.161851@attbi_s71...
Hi,

I want to be able to stock and sell G-Meters for my soaring pilot
customers. I am having a difficult time finding vendors.

The Falcon line looks interesting, but it is for experimental aircraft
only - if I understand their web site correctly - they sell non-TSO'd
instruments. http://www.falcongauge.com/

I'd really like to find a source that is OK for use in any glider.

Any suggestions? What brand do you have in your glider?

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

We need a comprehensive article on this subject by
a qualified expert.

What about all flight computers and loggers?
What about GPS?
What about clocks -- those stick-on timers, etc?
What about gear warning systems?
What about our batteries?

Can there be any instrument on board, attached to the
panel or not, associated with flight for which a TSO
is unnecessary? And does it matter whether the glider
is experimental or standard?

This IS a can of worms, but is ignorance an excuse?


At 21:36 04 October 2005, Tim Mara wrote:
do you know what TSO is? where it IS and ISN'T required?.most,
including the
vast majority of the Fed's don't.and simply say 'must
be TSO'D......not
true.but also there are Certified and Non-Certified
aircraft
instruments.......and 'required' instruments and some
need some
certification.....and some don't....
I'll just betcha the re is a vast number, if not majority
of gliders flying
around with illegal equipment and worse, illegal installations
of even legal
stuff.glider pilots tend to be their own mechanics....and
are not allowed to
be their own mechanics.....and should (Should) at the
very least have a
mechanic sign off any and all installations....even
in 'experimental'
aircraft.....unless to owner is the builder.......there
are big differences
in Experimental :homebuilt' and 'Exhibition and Racing'
and so on.......but
that's another thread.....
BTW, I do sell certified and non certified instruments.many
are good, some
are not so good.....regardless of how or if they are
certified.....and that
too.is another thread )
tim
Wings & Wheels
www.wingsandwheels.com


'Paul Remde' wrote in message
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Hi Todd,

Good point. Many soaring instruments are not TSO'd.
But I have a
customer who wants to install a G meter in his certificated
Grob 103 and
wants an instruments that would be 'legal' and correct.
I think that
makes sense. I would want to do things 'correctly'
with my glider as
well - if possible.

Paul Remde

'T o d d P a t t i s t' wrote in message
...
'Paul Remde' wrote:

The Falcon line looks interesting, but it is for experimental
aircraft
only - if I understand their web site correctly - they
sell non-TSO'd
instruments. http://www.falcongauge.com/

I'd really like to find a source that is OK for use
in any glider.

This is one of the reasons I like my experimental
certificate - fewer 'issues,' but if you don't mind
me
asking - you sell glider flight computers from Cambridge,
LX
and Ilec. Are those TSO'd? If not, why not sell
the
G-meter under the same conditions, or is there some
relevant
difference between G-meters and flight computers?

T o d d P a t t i s t - 'WH' Ventus C
(Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.)

Earlier, Nyal Williams wrote:

We need a comprehensive article on this subject by
a qualified expert.

I think that Jim Weir wrote that article about fifteen years ago. I'll
see if I can still dig it up.

We need a comprehensive article on this subject by
a qualified expert.

What about all flight computers and loggers?
What about GPS?
What about clocks -- those stick-on timers, etc?
What about gear warning systems?
What about our batteries?

Can there be any instrument on board, attached to the
panel or not, associated with flight for which a TSO
is unnecessary? And does it matter whether the glider
is experimental or standard?

This IS a can of worms, but is ignorance an excuse?


At 21:36 04 October 2005, Tim Mara wrote:
do you know what TSO is? where it IS and ISN'T required?.most,
including the
vast majority of the Fed's don't.and simply say 'must
be TSO'D......not
true.but also there are Certified and Non-Certified
aircraft
instruments.......and 'required' instruments and some
need some
certification.....and some don't....
I'll just betcha the re is a vast number, if not majority
of gliders flying
around with illegal equipment and worse, illegal installations
of even legal
stuff.glider pilots tend to be their own mechanics....and
are not allowed to
be their own mechanics.....and should (Should) at the
very least have a
mechanic sign off any and all installations....even
in 'experimental'
aircraft.....unless to owner is the builder.......there
are big differences
in Experimental :homebuilt' and 'Exhibition and Racing'
and so on.......but
that's another thread.....
BTW, I do sell certified and non certified instruments.many
are good, some
are not so good.....regardless of how or if they are
certified.....and that
too.is another thread )
tim
Wings & Wheels
www.wingsandwheels.com


'Paul Remde' wrote in message
news:dPB0f.444939$xm3.285594@attbi_s21...
Hi Todd,

Good point. Many soaring instruments are not TSO'd.
But I have a
customer who wants to install a G meter in his certificated
Grob 103 and
wants an instruments that would be 'legal' and correct.
I think that
makes sense. I would want to do things 'correctly'
with my glider as
well - if possible.

Paul Remde

'T o d d P a t t i s t' wrote in message
...
'Paul Remde' wrote:

The Falcon line looks interesting, but it is for experimental
aircraft
only - if I understand their web site correctly - they
sell non-TSO'd
instruments. http://www.falcongauge.com/

I'd really like to find a source that is OK for use
in any glider.

This is one of the reasons I like my experimental
certificate - fewer 'issues,' but if you don't mind
me
asking - you sell glider flight computers from Cambridge,
LX
and Ilec. Are those TSO'd? If not, why not sell
the
G-meter under the same conditions, or is there some
relevant
difference between G-meters and flight computers?

T o d d P a t t i s t - 'WH' Ventus C
(Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.)

How many aircraft have current calibrated altimeters ?

My airplane does since it is operated under IFR. My glider does not.
ref Section 91.411: Altimeter system and altitude reporting equipment
tests and inspections.


Andy

I would respectfully reply to this forum that we should not ask
questions that we really don't want to hear the answer for.



Larry





"Nyal Williams" wrote in
message :

We need a comprehensive article on this subject by
a qualified expert.

What about all flight computers and loggers?
What about GPS?
What about clocks -- those stick-on timers, etc?
What about gear warning systems?
What about our batteries?

Can there be any instrument on board, attached to the
panel or not, associated with flight for which a TSO
is unnecessary? And does it matter whether the glider
is experimental or standard?

This IS a can of worms, but is ignorance an excuse?

This 16 September 1996 rec.aviation.owning post by Rod Farlee is the
best summary of 14 CFR 91 and TSO issues I know of:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...cf7fe9b9e52da3

...The FCC specifies operational requirements for most
avionics. FAA TSO specs are environmental (temperature,
humidity, vibration, shock), and in some cases, such as
IFR GPS, are operational. A TSO has nothing to do with
the manufacturing process (this is the concern of the
FAA PMA, parts manufacturing approval, process).

Try to buy a TSO'd DME, VFR GPS, GPS/COM or intercom and
you'll find there are no TSOs for these items. Also
there is no requirement for TSOs for anything used for
FAR Part 91 operations except the transponder and ELT.

To install non-TSO'd equipment, there is no requirement
for an STC. A 377 "Major Alteration" form is needed
only if the installation requires structural
modifications to the airplane or fabrication of a
mounting tray. Otherwise, it requires only a logbook
entry by a radio shop or A&P with avionics inspection
authorization that the physical installation conforms
to AC 43 standard practices, and noting any change in
aircraft weight and balance.

There are some requirements for TSO'd equipment on
airliners in FAR 121, but there are many exceptions
(DME, entertainment, etc).

There is enough confusion among FAA FSDO inspectors
over the new PMA requirements that some of them seem
to be making up there own rules in this area, but
let's not make up our own!

- Rod Farlee

Thanks, and best regards to all

Bob K.