New Vintage Category ???

From today's AvWeb:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/602-full.html#191860
EAA Proposes New Vintage Category

"Earl Lawrence, EAA's vice president of industry and regulatory affairs,
says too much time and money is spent trying to comply with regulations that
do nothing to improve the safety of aging aircraft, and in fact, the current
rules have become an impediment to safety. "We need a different system," he
told AVweb on Saturday. EAA and the Vintage Aircraft Association have asked
the FAA to create a new category for vintage aircraft, Lawrence said.
"Aircraft flown by private owners in low-stress, personal flying need to be
able to modernize. We need to make it easier for owners to maintain their
aircraft and keep them safe while cutting down on paperwork." The FAA liked
the proposal, he said. It would make their work easier, and enable them to
use their limited resources more efficiently. But that doesn't mean change
will happen overnight. A 10- to 12-year time frame would not surprise
anyone, Lawrence said."

Offering Owners Of Old Airplanes A Choice

"In their proposal for a new vintage category, EAA and the VAA said that
such aircraft would not be limited in size or complexity; Part 43
airworthiness regulations would still apply; the installation of parts and
items that are not PMA- or TSO-compliant would be allowed; and aircraft in
the new category would lose any privileges to carry persons or property for
hire. The owner would have the option to transfer to the new category or
not. No specific age limits were proposed."


[Me again]
It would be nice if at some point (30 years?) the plane would be considered
a homebuilt - it's yours, do what you want with it!

"30 years of oversight, our job is done. Now it's up to the pilot/owner" -
FAA.

Yeah, that'll happen ...in about 30 years! :-)


Montblack

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:02:10 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote:

From today's AvWeb:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/602-full.html#191860
EAA Proposes New Vintage Category

"Earl Lawrence, EAA's vice president of industry and regulatory affairs,
says too much time and money is spent trying to comply with regulations that
do nothing to improve the safety of aging aircraft, and in fact, the current
rules have become an impediment to safety. "We need a different system," he
told AVweb on Saturday. EAA and the Vintage Aircraft Association have asked
the FAA to create a new category for vintage aircraft, Lawrence said.
"Aircraft flown by private owners in low-stress, personal flying need to be
able to modernize. We need to make it easier for owners to maintain their
aircraft and keep them safe while cutting down on paperwork." The FAA liked
the proposal, he said. It would make their work easier, and enable them to
use their limited resources more efficiently. But that doesn't mean change
will happen overnight. A 10- to 12-year time frame would not surprise
anyone, Lawrence said."

Offering Owners Of Old Airplanes A Choice

"In their proposal for a new vintage category, EAA and the VAA said that
such aircraft would not be limited in size or complexity; Part 43
airworthiness regulations would still apply; the installation of parts and
items that are not PMA- or TSO-compliant would be allowed; and aircraft in
the new category would lose any privileges to carry persons or property for
hire. The owner would have the option to transfer to the new category or
not. No specific age limits were proposed."


[Me again]
It would be nice if at some point (30 years?) the plane would be considered
a homebuilt - it's yours, do what you want with it!

"30 years of oversight, our job is done. Now it's up to the pilot/owner" -
FAA.

Yeah, that'll happen ...in about 30 years! :-)


Montblack

well it's already happened in Canada. Most vintage aircraft qualify
for the owner-maintenance category.

("Drew Dalgleish" wrote)
well it's already happened in Canada. Most vintage aircraft qualify for
the owner-maintenance category.


What are the "vintage" years in the Canadian Regs?

Beside owner-maintenance, what can a vintage aircraft owner (in Canada) do
to their plane?

....anything that a 51% homebuilt owner (in the US) can do the theirs?


Montblack

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:45:09 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Drew Dalgleish" wrote)
well it's already happened in Canada. Most vintage aircraft qualify for
the owner-maintenance category.


What are the "vintage" years in the Canadian Regs?

Beside owner-maintenance, what can a vintage aircraft owner (in Canada) do
to their plane?

...anything that a 51% homebuilt owner (in the US) can do the theirs?


Montblack


well it depends. The aircraft has to be unsupported and less than a
certain percentage in commercial use. It's been a while since I read
up on it but there's lots of info here.

http://www.copanational.org/non-members/index.htm

("Drew Dalgleish" wrote)
well it depends. The aircraft has to be unsupported and less than a
certain percentage in commercial use. It's been a while since I read up on
it but there's lots of info here.

http://www.copanational.org/non-members/index.htm


[I found this.....]

COPA Guide to the Owner-Maintenance Category - HTML format MS Word format
PDF format

This guide explains the background and regulations governing the
Owner-Maintenance Aircraft Category. It includes everything you need to know
to put an aircraft in the O-M category.
COPA Member paper copy price $10.00. Non-member price: $15.00

[........site requires membership and password]


Montblack

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:03:51 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Drew Dalgleish" wrote)
well it depends. The aircraft has to be unsupported and less than a
certain percentage in commercial use. It's been a while since I read up on
it but there's lots of info here.

http://www.copanational.org/non-members/index.htm


[I found this.....]

COPA Guide to the Owner-Maintenance Category - HTML format MS Word format
PDF format

This guide explains the background and regulations governing the
Owner-Maintenance Aircraft Category. It includes everything you need to know
to put an aircraft in the O-M category.
COPA Member paper copy price $10.00. Non-member price: $15.00

[........site requires membership and password]


Montblack

opps I get logged on automatically. try looking here instead

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/Re...az2-mar02R.htm

In rec.aviation.owning Montblack wrote:

: This guide explains the background and regulations governing the
: Owner-Maintenance Aircraft Category. It includes everything you need to know
: to put an aircraft in the O-M category.
: COPA Member paper copy price $10.00. Non-member price: $15.00

Hi Montblack! The Canadian regs sound pretty good, but there is no
international acceptance of the owner maintained category - at least there
is no US acceptance. Thus, these Canadian aircraft can't be legally flown
in the US. This was written up in the last 2 Osh Notams.
--
Aaron C.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
From today's AvWeb:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/602-full.html#191860
EAA Proposes New Vintage Category

"Earl Lawrence, EAA's vice president of industry and regulatory affairs,
says too much time and money is spent trying to comply with regulations
that do nothing to improve the safety of aging aircraft, and in fact, the
current rules have become an impediment to safety. "We need a different
system," he told AVweb on Saturday. EAA and the Vintage Aircraft
Association have asked the FAA to create a new category for vintage
aircraft, Lawrence said. "Aircraft flown by private owners in low-stress,
personal flying need to be able to modernize. We need to make it easier
for owners to maintain their aircraft and keep them safe while cutting
down on paperwork." The FAA liked the proposal, he said. It would make
their work easier, and enable them to use their limited resources more
efficiently. But that doesn't mean change will happen overnight. A 10- to
12-year time frame would not surprise anyone, Lawrence said."

Offering Owners Of Old Airplanes A Choice

"In their proposal for a new vintage category, EAA and the VAA said that
such aircraft would not be limited in size or complexity; Part 43
airworthiness regulations would still apply; the installation of parts and
items that are not PMA- or TSO-compliant would be allowed; and aircraft in
the new category would lose any privileges to carry persons or property
for hire. The owner would have the option to transfer to the new category
or not. No specific age limits were proposed."


[Me again]
It would be nice if at some point (30 years?) the plane would be
considered a homebuilt - it's yours, do what you want with it!

This proposal is half way there but be careful what you ask for, you might
get it. Experimental category is not nirvina.


"30 years of oversight, our job is done. Now it's up to the pilot/owner" -
FAA.

Yeah, that'll happen ...in about 30 years! :-)


Montblack

"Dave Stadt" wrote

This proposal is half way there but be careful what you ask for, you might
get it. Experimental category is not nirvina.

Just curious; what do you see as drawbacks to the proposal?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Dave Stadt" wrote

This proposal is half way there but be careful what you ask for, you
might
get it. Experimental category is not nirvina.

Just curious; what do you see as drawbacks to the proposal?
--
Jim in NC

Insurance, resale value, A&Ps that don't want to perform maintenance or do
annuals on experimentals, having that dumb EXPERIMENTAL sign plastered on
the plane.