RNAV vs IFR GPS

Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I said no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck

"PaulaJay1" wrote in message =
...
Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I =
said no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and =
gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course =
I can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?
=20
Chuck

Yes, Yes, and Yes.
I doubt the controller cared *which* kind of RNAV you had,
only that you had the navigation capability.
Even if you'd had only LORAN, you'd still have answered "Yes".
---JRC---

You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?

Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?


"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
...
Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I said
no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I
can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck

I feel your pain. Since the FAA lumped GPS, Loran, and VOR-DME into one
basket labelled RNAV, I have been going nuts trying to keep my books up to
date. The KNS-80 and its ilk are still around, so I have to discuss that
kind of RNAV, but because there are so many approaches labelled RNAV (GPS),
the potential for confusion is there. It all boils down to the fact that if
you can fly a random route using any one of the three, you have RNAV.

Bob Gardner

"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
...
Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I said
no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I
can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck

Richard Hertz wrote:
You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?
Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?


That's not necessarily a fair criticism.
For those of us who have been flying since the 70's, we still think and
refer to airspace as TCA's, TRSA's and ARSA's. So we still remember RNAV
as VOR/DME, while LORAN and GPS are essentially global navigation
systems (although, technically, that's still another, different form
altogether).

Amen, Bob!
A Foster RNAV 511-G came out of my airplane when my CNX80 went in!
(Admittedly, a KLN88 Loran came out at the same time, though.)
---JRC---

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message =
news:nwQ%b.424998$na.813278@attbi_s04...
I feel your pain. Since the FAA lumped GPS, Loran, and VOR-DME into =
one
basket labelled RNAV, I have been going nuts trying to keep my books =
up to
date. The KNS-80 and its ilk are still around, so I have to discuss =
that
kind of RNAV, but because there are so many approaches labelled RNAV =
(GPS),
the potential for confusion is there. It all boils down to the fact =
that if
you can fly a random route using any one of the three, you have RNAV.
=20
Bob Gardner
=20
"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
...
Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I =
said
no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and =
gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of =
course I
can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck
=20

VOR-DME is RNAV too? Now I'm confused.

When can we get those updates, Bob? (I note that asa2fly.com is a little
sparse in the "textbook updates" department).

-- David Brooks

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:nwQ%b.424998$na.813278@attbi_s04...
I feel your pain. Since the FAA lumped GPS, Loran, and VOR-DME into one
basket labelled RNAV, I have been going nuts trying to keep my books up to
date. The KNS-80 and its ilk are still around, so I have to discuss that
kind of RNAV, but because there are so many approaches labelled RNAV
(GPS),
the potential for confusion is there. It all boils down to the fact that
if
you can fly a random route using any one of the three, you have RNAV.

Bob Gardner

"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
...
Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I
said
no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave
me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I
can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck

john smith wrote:

Richard Hertz wrote:
You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?
Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?

That's not necessarily a fair criticism.
For those of us who have been flying since the 70's, we still think and
refer to airspace as TCA's, TRSA's and ARSA's. So we still remember RNAV
as VOR/DME, while LORAN and GPS are essentially global navigation
systems (although, technically, that's still another, different form
altogether).

I;ve been flying since the late 1950s and I adjust. TCA, and ARSAs seem
quite alien to me these days. Then again TRSAs don't because we still have
those.

I think the criticism is quite justified.

He did not say that right. There is VOR/DME-RNAV as well as INS RNAV, IRS RNAV,
GPS RNAV, and LORAN RNAV.

VOR/DME RNAV still has some crummy approaches in the system.

David Brooks wrote:

VOR-DME is RNAV too? Now I'm confused.

When can we get those updates, Bob? (I note that asa2fly.com is a little
sparse in the "textbook updates" department).

-- David Brooks

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:nwQ%b.424998$na.813278@attbi_s04...
I feel your pain. Since the FAA lumped GPS, Loran, and VOR-DME into one
basket labelled RNAV, I have been going nuts trying to keep my books up to
date. The KNS-80 and its ilk are still around, so I have to discuss that
kind of RNAV, but because there are so many approaches labelled RNAV
(GPS),
the potential for confusion is there. It all boils down to the fact that
if
you can fly a random route using any one of the three, you have RNAV.

Bob Gardner

"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
...
Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I
said
no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave
me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I
can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck

VOR-DME is RNAV too? Now I'm confused.

Not by itself, but RNAV can be based on VOR, DME, and a computer to put it all
together. In fact I believe that was the first system.

Jose

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