Manufacturing Quality

I used to believe the same thing about GMC and Chevy, only cosmetic
differences. But now after owning two GMC Sierras I am beginning to
suspect some other differences. Even though the use hasn't changed, the
GMCs require about 1/2 the maintenance as the Chevys did. Simple things
like sticky throttles, intermittent switches, loose exhaust brackets,
etc. don't seem to be plaguing our GMCs like they did the Chevy variant.

My wife says they "sound" different too; "tighter and more
put-together".

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Whiting ]
Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:34 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
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Subject: Manufacturing Quality

Matt Whiting wrote:

Newps wrote:



Matt Whiting wrote:




I wrote the above, not Newps. So who are you really agreeing with?
Newps who says sales volume is synonymous with quality






I never said that or even hinted at it. You may disagree but to me
Ford is the best built truck. A million people a year likewise
agree.


I prefer Chevy, but I think the quality data is pretty similar between

Ford and Chevy with respect to full-size trucks. I believe that
Toyota's are better built that both, but they don't yet have a truly
full-size truck. I expect they will at some point and the same thing
as
happened to cars in the 80s will then happen to trucks.

Ford F-150 sales are off pace considerably through the first 6 months
of
the year at 400,000.

And if you add GMC truck sales to Chevy truck sales (they are virtually
identical other than cosmetics), GM sells more half-ton pickups than
Ford.

Matt

Jim Carter wrote:

I used to believe the same thing about GMC and Chevy, only cosmetic
differences. But now after owning two GMC Sierras I am beginning to
suspect some other differences. Even though the use hasn't changed, the
GMCs require about 1/2 the maintenance as the Chevys did. Simple things
like sticky throttles, intermittent switches, loose exhaust brackets,
etc. don't seem to be plaguing our GMCs like they did the Chevy variant.

My wife says they "sound" different too; "tighter and more
put-together".

Just shows you the games our mind can play one us. They are made in the
same plant. http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/070207.html

I believe they are actually made on the same production line, but the
same people, with just a few parts (grill, some interior parts, etc.)
being different, but I can't find any proof of that at the moment. The
engines and components are identical so any difference you are seeing is
a sample difference, not a Chevy vs. GMC difference.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Whiting ]
Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: Manufacturing Quality
Subject: Manufacturing Quality

Jim Carter wrote:

I used to believe the same thing about GMC and Chevy, only cosmetic
differences. But now after owning two GMC Sierras I am beginning to
suspect some other differences. Even though the use hasn't changed,
the
GMCs require about 1/2 the maintenance as the Chevys did. Simple
things
like sticky throttles, intermittent switches, loose exhaust
brackets,
etc. don't seem to be plaguing our GMCs like they did the Chevy
variant.

My wife says they "sound" different too; "tighter and more
put-together".

Just shows you the games our mind can play one us. They are made in
the
same plant. http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/070207.html

I believe they are actually made on the same production line, but the
same people, with just a few parts (grill, some interior parts, etc.)
being different, but I can't find any proof of that at the moment.
The
engines and components are identical so any difference you are seeing
is
a sample difference, not a Chevy vs. GMC difference.

Matt

Maybe as time goes on they are getting a little more careful and have
learned a few things. Could be the Chevys and GMCs are not completely
identical mechanically and operationally.

"Jim Carter" wrote

Maybe as time goes on they are getting a little more careful and have
learned a few things. Could be the Chevys and GMCs are not completely
identical mechanically and operationally.


YOU DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO HIM, DID YOU????

Off the same line means that one is a GMC, then the next two are Chevy. Do
you suppose the workers look at the ticket and say to one another, "Hey AL,
let's try and get this one right, and be a little more careful, not like
that last one we put together for GMC."

The more expensive brand has a different sticker put on parts, or a
different style trim. Oh, that's right, the more expensive one will have
more sound deadening insulation added, and more options included as
standard. THAT would make it "sound tighter" wouldn't it.

I hate ignorance.
--
Jim in NC

-----Original Message-----
From: Morgans ]
Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:38 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: Manufacturing Quality
Subject: Manufacturing Quality


"Jim Carter" wrote

Maybe as time goes on they are getting a little more careful and
have
learned a few things. Could be the Chevys and GMCs are not
completely
identical mechanically and operationally.


YOU DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO HIM, DID YOU????

Off the same line means that one is a GMC, then the next two are
Chevy.
Do
you suppose the workers look at the ticket and say to one another,
"Hey
AL,
let's try and get this one right, and be a little more careful, not
like
that last one we put together for GMC."

....
I hate ignorance.
--
Jim in NC

Gosh, I didn't mean to upset you so Jim. I should have written "Could be
the Chevys and GMCs are completely identical mechanically and
operationally.

Ignorance maybe, but probably a case of not typing exactly what one's
thinking as occasionally happens to some of us.

Jim Carter wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Whiting ]
Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: Manufacturing Quality
Subject: Manufacturing Quality

Jim Carter wrote:


I used to believe the same thing about GMC and Chevy, only cosmetic
differences. But now after owning two GMC Sierras I am beginning to
suspect some other differences. Even though the use hasn't changed,

the

GMCs require about 1/2 the maintenance as the Chevys did. Simple

things

like sticky throttles, intermittent switches, loose exhaust

brackets,

etc. don't seem to be plaguing our GMCs like they did the Chevy

variant.

My wife says they "sound" different too; "tighter and more
put-together".

Just shows you the games our mind can play one us. They are made in

the

same plant. http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/070207.html

I believe they are actually made on the same production line, but the
same people, with just a few parts (grill, some interior parts, etc.)
being different, but I can't find any proof of that at the moment.

The

engines and components are identical so any difference you are seeing

is

a sample difference, not a Chevy vs. GMC difference.

Matt


Maybe as time goes on they are getting a little more careful and have
learned a few things. Could be the Chevys and GMCs are not completely
identical mechanically and operationally.

If they are made the way I think they are made, it would be pretty hard
for them to be different fundamentally. I'd like to have someone who
can speak authoritatively jump in here, but I was told years ago by a GM
engineer that Chevy vs. GMC was treated just like AC vs. not AC. It is
a manufacturing option that is selected as the vehicle moves down the
assembly line.

Matt

In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:

Jim Carter wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Whiting ]
Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: Manufacturing Quality
Subject: Manufacturing Quality

Jim Carter wrote:


I used to believe the same thing about GMC and Chevy, only cosmetic
differences. But now after owning two GMC Sierras I am beginning to
suspect some other differences. Even though the use hasn't changed,

the

GMCs require about 1/2 the maintenance as the Chevys did. Simple

things

like sticky throttles, intermittent switches, loose exhaust

brackets,

etc. don't seem to be plaguing our GMCs like they did the Chevy

variant.

My wife says they "sound" different too; "tighter and more
put-together".

Just shows you the games our mind can play one us. They are made in

the

same plant. http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/070207.html

I believe they are actually made on the same production line, but the
same people, with just a few parts (grill, some interior parts, etc.)
being different, but I can't find any proof of that at the moment.

The

engines and components are identical so any difference you are seeing

is

a sample difference, not a Chevy vs. GMC difference.

Matt


Maybe as time goes on they are getting a little more careful and have
learned a few things. Could be the Chevys and GMCs are not completely
identical mechanically and operationally.

If they are made the way I think they are made, it would be pretty hard
for them to be different fundamentally. I'd like to have someone who
can speak authoritatively jump in here, but I was told years ago by a GM
engineer that Chevy vs. GMC was treated just like AC vs. not AC. It is
a manufacturing option that is selected as the vehicle moves down the
assembly line.

I built Firebird's and Camero's for six summers when I was in college.
For each vehicle, there was a sheet of paper that listed all the
details. At the start of each sub assembly, a copy of the sheet was
attached to the support frame. At each station, the worker would check
the list appropriate for the function he/she was performing and supply
the correct part to the assembly. There as an inspector and utility
man/woman at various points on the line to correct any incorrect
assemblies.

"john smith" wrote in message
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I built Firebird's and Camero's for six summers when I was in college.
For each vehicle, there was a sheet of paper that listed all the
details. At the start of each sub assembly, a copy of the sheet was
attached to the support frame. At each station, the worker would check
the list appropriate for the function he/she was performing and supply
the correct part to the assembly. There as an inspector and utility
man/woman at various points on the line to correct any incorrect
assemblies.

To add a data point here I was at a GMC dealership several years ago when a
friend was looking for a small SUV. We were looking at a GMC Jimmy and on
the left side of the truck that's what it said it was. On the right side it
said S-10 (Chevy's version of the same thing.)

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Whiting ]
Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: Manufacturing Quality
Subject: Manufacturing Quality

Jim Carter wrote:

I used to believe the same thing about GMC and Chevy, only cosmetic
differences. But now after owning two GMC Sierras I am beginning to
suspect some other differences. Even though the use hasn't changed,
the
GMCs require about 1/2 the maintenance as the Chevys did. Simple
things
like sticky throttles, intermittent switches, loose exhaust
brackets,
etc. don't seem to be plaguing our GMCs like they did the Chevy
variant.

My wife says they "sound" different too; "tighter and more
put-together".

Just shows you the games our mind can play one us. They are made in
the
same plant. http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/070207.html

I believe they are actually made on the same production line, but the
same people, with just a few parts (grill, some interior parts, etc.)
being different, but I can't find any proof of that at the moment.
The
engines and components are identical so any difference you are seeing
is
a sample difference, not a Chevy vs. GMC difference.

Matt

Maybe as time goes on they are getting a little more careful and have
learned a few things. Could be the Chevys and GMCs are not completely
identical mechanically and operationally.


They come down the same assembly line. The ONLY difference is one gets a
Chevy badge the next a GMC badge.

Dave Stadt wrote:




They come down the same assembly line. The ONLY difference is one gets a
Chevy badge the next a GMC badge.


Sometimes both.