Person claiming to be a US Navy aviator Vietnam vet

In a group I frequent we are plagued with some-one who has begun
claiming that he is a 'naval aviator'.
Excerpts from his posts as to his knowledge of the Principles of Flight
and his (Claim1) of military service.
In (Claim2) he backs away from an original 'pilot' claim
and (Claim3) demonstrates that he is woefully ignorant of anything
beyond google searches of kook sites


The claims without spelling or grammatical corrections
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
Al... has no one informed you that you can't fly a jumbo jet at max
speed
anywhere near the ground? There's a rather large lift vacuum
underneath
that would pull it immediately into the ground.

Claim 1

It's not difficult at all to understand... but having been a Marine
Aviator
during Viet Nam and a pilot in more recent times, I have somehwat of
a grip on the way an aircraft functions and a definite knowledge of the
numbers and types of parts that sinplt do NOT disintegrate.

Claim2

One didn't have to be a military 'pilot' to fly the back seat of an
OV-10a Bronco
on flare missions to be considered an 'aviator'. Never jump to
conclusions...
but since you looked, maybe you could also look up ownership of N-5848A

and it's pilot's logs.

Note: we did and he isn't the registered owner. No big shock there

Claim3

the mere act of takeoff and achieving cruise altitude requires roughly
20%
of whatever fuel load was placed on the aircraft,

http://www.m-a-m-s.com/personal.htm
web site where he has a photo of himself in a uniform with rifle.
Is this uniform consistent with his claims ?

Thanks for any help in this matter

Doesn't the last line of the first paragraph say "SGT, USMC"?

Boomerang wrote:
Doesn't the last line of the first paragraph say "SGT, USMC"?

When I went to El Toro, MCAS on a X/C, about a hundred years
ago(actually in 1974), with my primary instructor in VT-25(Dave
McNally, foto F-4 pilot)., he introduced me to one of the last(last?)
USMC enlisted pilots. Flew 2 hole 'E'A-6Bs..very cool.

On 3 Jan 2007 05:39:15 -0800, "qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote:


Boomerang wrote:
Doesn't the last line of the first paragraph say "SGT, USMC"?

When I went to El Toro, MCAS on a X/C, about a hundred years
ago(actually in 1974), with my primary instructor in VT-25(Dave
McNally, foto F-4 pilot).,

We've coverd the same ground. I got my wings in VT-24 in AUG74 and
SERGRADed to same. Vaguely remember McNally - I think he and my
primary IP (Jim Collins) co-owned Pinky's bar.

John Alger USN(ret)
1972-1997 // 1310,1320
TA-4J, A-7E, EC-130Q, P-3B

John wrote:
On 3 Jan 2007 05:39:15 -0800, "qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote:


Boomerang wrote:
Doesn't the last line of the first paragraph say "SGT, USMC"?

When I went to El Toro, MCAS on a X/C, about a hundred years
ago(actually in 1974), with my primary instructor in VT-25(Dave
McNally, foto F-4 pilot).,

We've coverd the same ground. I got my wings in VT-24 in AUG74 and
SERGRADed to same. Vaguely remember McNally - I think he and my
primary IP (Jim Collins) co-owned Pinky's bar.

Sounds like McNally!!!
I got my wings in July, 1974...

John Alger USN(ret)
1972-1997 // 1310,1320
TA-4J, A-7E, EC-130Q, P-3B

"qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message
ups.com...

Boomerang wrote:
Doesn't the last line of the first paragraph say "SGT, USMC"?

When I went to El Toro, MCAS on a X/C, about a hundred years
ago(actually in 1974), with my primary instructor in VT-25(Dave
McNally, foto F-4 pilot)., he introduced me to one of the last(last?)
USMC enlisted pilots. Flew 2 hole 'E'A-6Bs..very cool.


Hummmmmm? You sure about that date? The last four Marine Enlisted Pilots
(NAP's) retired at the same time on Feb 1st 1973. The last Navy Enlisted
Pilot (NAP) retired on Jan 31, 1981. The last Coast Guard one retired
sometime in 1979? I believe.

However they may have been a few Marines, former NAP's, that were not on
flight status, or who held commisions the retired after that. But those four
were the last Enlisted Marine Pilots that were flying. If someone wants the
names, I can contact a friend and get them. He has a copy of the ALMAR (All
Marine Message that announced their retirement).

Diamond Jim wrote:
"qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message
ups.com...

Boomerang wrote:
Doesn't the last line of the first paragraph say "SGT, USMC"?

When I went to El Toro, MCAS on a X/C, about a hundred years
ago(actually in 1974), with my primary instructor in VT-25(Dave
McNally, foto F-4 pilot)., he introduced me to one of the last(last?)
USMC enlisted pilots. Flew 2 hole 'E'A-6Bs..very cool.


Hummmmmm? You sure about that date? The last four Marine Enlisted Pilots
(NAP's) retired at the same time on Feb 1st 1973. The last Navy Enlisted
Pilot (NAP) retired on Jan 31, 1981. The last Coast Guard one retired
sometime in 1979? I believe.

I started flying in advanced in Jan 1974..went on a X/C with him to El
Toro between that time and July, 1974...Could it have been a NFO type?.
Enlisted NFO flying in queer A-6, two holers..Altho I remember when I
started and fisnished the X/C WAS (ouch!) 32 years ago.

However they may have been a few Marines, former NAP's, that were not on
flight status, or who held commisions the retired after that. But those four
were the last Enlisted Marine Pilots that were flying. If someone wants the
names, I can contact a friend and get them. He has a copy of the ALMAR (All
Marine Message that announced their retirement).

"qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message
ups.com...

Diamond Jim wrote:
"qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message
ups.com...

Boomerang wrote:
Doesn't the last line of the first paragraph say "SGT, USMC"?

When I went to El Toro, MCAS on a X/C, about a hundred years
ago(actually in 1974), with my primary instructor in VT-25(Dave
McNally, foto F-4 pilot)., he introduced me to one of the last(last?)
USMC enlisted pilots. Flew 2 hole 'E'A-6Bs..very cool.


Hummmmmm? You sure about that date? The last four Marine Enlisted Pilots
(NAP's) retired at the same time on Feb 1st 1973. The last Navy Enlisted
Pilot (NAP) retired on Jan 31, 1981. The last Coast Guard one retired
sometime in 1979? I believe.

I started flying in advanced in Jan 1974..went on a X/C with him to El
Toro between that time and July, 1974...Could it have been a NFO type?.
Enlisted NFO flying in queer A-6, two holers..Altho I remember when I
started and fisnished the X/C WAS (ouch!) 32 years ago.

IIRC there were some enlisted Marine back seaters in the F-4's early on, but
I think that all of them eventually became LDO's or Warrants. (The Marines
needed back-seaters quickly and transioned some radar operators into the
job.

There is no telling what went in those "Queers" grin or came out of them
either. big grin. It could be very likely that some of the enlisted
electronic spooks from the Marine Radio Battalion rode in the EA-6A's, I
know they flew with their Navy spook counterparts in the EC-121
Constellations. (We will just refer to all these aircraft as generic
EC-121's even though there were many different designations used for them).
I believe these same Marine spooks were also seen in EA-3's, various
electronic A-1's, P-2/O-2 Neptunes on the USS Liberty, USS Pebulo, and on
"Red Crown" crusiers offshore of NViet. IIRC wasn't their one of these
Marine stowaways on the P-3 that was in the air-to-air fender bender with
the Chineese F-8 a few years back? There is no telling where else they hung
around at.


However they may have been a few Marines, former NAP's, that were not on
flight status, or who held commisions the retired after that. But those
four
were the last Enlisted Marine Pilots that were flying. If someone wants
the
names, I can contact a friend and get them. He has a copy of the ALMAR
(All
Marine Message that announced their retirement).

On 2 Jan 2007 20:04:12 -0800, "george"
postulated :
In a group I frequent we are plagued with some-one who has begun
claiming that he is a 'naval aviator'.

(snipped)

web site where he has a photo of himself in a uniform with rifle.
Is this uniform consistent with his claims ?

All Marines must qualify with a rifle because all Marines are
basically riflemen.

Thanks for any help in this matter

Why be obsessed with some kook? Kill file his posts or ignore them.
Put on your adult britches and deal with it.




Ride Safe!
Greasy Rider® DOF/SLOB-6
'97 FLHTCI Lehman trike-Stage 0
53 years of motorcyling
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Greasy Rider wrote:

On 2 Jan 2007 20:04:12 -0800, "george"
postulated :
In a group I frequent we are plagued with some-one who has begun
claiming that he is a 'naval aviator'.

(snipped)

web site where he has a photo of himself in a uniform with rifle.
Is this uniform consistent with his claims ?

All Marines must qualify with a rifle because all Marines are
basically riflemen.

Thank you for that answer

Thanks for any help in this matter

Why be obsessed with some kook? Kill file his posts or ignore them.
Put on your adult britches and deal with it.

I want to find out just what this persons agenda is.
Claiming to be exmilitary is, as far as I am concerned, an affront to
us who are !