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I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help?
Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? Would we be talking about a few percent less drag, or is it a big number, like 30%? Sea gulls and other long winged birds tend to fly just above the water, ducks and geese like to reduce drag by flying in vees, but don't often cruise just above the water. References would be helpful: I hate having stories I write wrong for technical reasons. |
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![]() Tony wrote: I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? Would we be talking about a few percent less drag, or is it a big number, like 30%? Sea gulls and other long winged birds tend to fly just above the water, ducks and geese like to reduce drag by flying in vees, but don't often cruise just above the water. References would be helpful: I hate having stories I write wrong for technical reasons. There was an article in Soaring magazine years ago about some tests done at Edwards AFB by USAF test pilot students on ground effects - using a Blanik and a Grob-103, I think. That might be available somewhere - there is a Soaring directory somewhere, try SSA.org. In gliding, especially with state of the art gliders (L/D in the 40 to 60 range), failure of your landing drag devices (dive brakes, 90 degree flaps, even tail chutes) can be a real emergency - you can float in ground effect for miles without slowing down, unable to land! And with wingspans of 50 to 80+ feet, slipping at ground effect altitude is a dangerous proposition! In the pattern, I would much rather have my gear fail to extend than my spoilers fail! A classic glider landing mishap is watching a pilot in a new-to-him glider float the whole length of the runway raising and lowering the gear, until he does a "tree-stop" off the far end - the result of confusing the manual gear handle for the spoiler handle! Kirk Ls6-b "66" |
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s.com... Tony wrote: I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? ... In gliding, especially with state of the art gliders (L/D in the 40 to 60 range), failure of your landing drag devices (dive brakes, 90 degree flaps, even tail chutes) can be a real emergency - you can float in ground effect for miles without slowing down, unable to land! And with wingspans of 50 to 80+ feet, slipping at ground effect altitude is a dangerous proposition! In the pattern, I would much rather have my gear fail to extend than my spoilers fail! http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/St...und_Effect.htm -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators, page 380, figure 6.9 is a graph of percent
reduction in induced drag coefficient versus ratio of wing height to wing span. Bob Gardner "Tony" wrote in message oups.com... I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? Would we be talking about a few percent less drag, or is it a big number, like 30%? Sea gulls and other long winged birds tend to fly just above the water, ducks and geese like to reduce drag by flying in vees, but don't often cruise just above the water. References would be helpful: I hate having stories I write wrong for technical reasons. |
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![]() "Tony" wrote in message oups.com... I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? If I recall correctly it is about 20%. It is enough that the Russians built an seaplane with small wings that cruised in ground effect to reduce drag. It is not just a couple of percent for sure. Your technothriller will be valid to assume a substantial reduction in drag by flying in ground effect. Danny Deger |
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:52:24 -0800, Danny Deger wrote
(in article ): "Tony" wrote in message oups.com... I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? If I recall correctly it is about 20%. It is enough that the Russians built an seaplane with small wings that cruised in ground effect to reduce drag. It is not just a couple of percent for sure. Your technothriller will be valid to assume a substantial reduction in drag by flying in ground effect. I remember there was some discussion a couple years back of building a giant ground effect container ship/plane. It would cross the Pacific in ground effect, then fly the short distance to a coastal airport. Probably not economically feasible, but it could be done. For one thing, why fly it to an airport? All the cranes to unload it are at ports. Seems to me that skipping the flying step would greatly simplify things. |
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![]() C J Campbell wrote: On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:52:24 -0800, Danny Deger wrote (in article ): "Tony" wrote in message oups.com... I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? If I recall correctly it is about 20%. It is enough that the Russians built an seaplane with small wings that cruised in ground effect to reduce drag. It is not just a couple of percent for sure. Your technothriller will be valid to assume a substantial reduction in drag by flying in ground effect. I remember there was some discussion a couple years back of building a giant ground effect container ship/plane. It would cross the Pacific in ground effect, then fly the short distance to a coastal airport. Probably not economically feasible, but it could be done. For one thing, why fly it to an airport? All the cranes to unload it are at ports. Seems to me that skipping the flying step would greatly simplify things. Two problems that killed the Russian's ideas (besides money): (1) The huge waves encounted at sea means the thing has to rise out of ground effect, and (2) the span and power needed to fly to the airport ruin the economics of the thing. Dan |
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"Tony" wrote:
I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Here's an online reference, including some graphs: http://www.se-technology.com/wig/htm...en=aero&code=0 There are also a number of real-life examples where ground effect was beneficial. One was the Ekranoplan ground effect vehicles that operated in the Caspian Sea. You can search for that name or the "Caspian Sea Monster" to learn more about them. Fighter pilots during WWII would often take advantage of ground effect to extend their endurance when returning from sorties. There was also the story of the MATS C97 (military version of the Stratocruiser) that had its #1 prop separate from the aircraft, and lost both port engines just past the point-of-no-return on a flight to Hawaii. Initial calculations by the flight engineer suggested that they would have to ditch 30 minutes from their destination. The captain jettisoned all excess weight, and flew in ground effect for six hours, with full right trim, and having to stand on the right rudder pedal with both feet for the duration of the flight. They eventually landed safely after a missed approach with 30 minutes of fuel remaining. |
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The efficiency of ground effect comes from replacing having to throw
air downwards, which costs energy (less energy the more air you throw at a lesser speed, ie. long wings), with just hovering over a high pressure area that you only have to set up once, instead of continuously creating it. You get the reduced induced drag of a longer-winged craft without the parasitic drag of longer wings (the point of long wings being to reduce the downward speed of thrown air). The effectiveness of ground effect is more at lower speeds, where induced drag dominates. At high speed, parasitic drag dominates and the effect doesn't reduce that. (Induced drag is from energy lost to downwards-thrown air, which has to receive enough momentum per unit time to support the weight of the airplane. Since energy goes as the square of this downward velocity, you're better off throwing twice as much air half as fast, which has the same momentum but half the energy, which still supports your weight. Hence long wings. Parasitic drag is from skin friction and turbulence produced and pressure drag, that does not help in keeping you aloft; this is the chief drag at high speed, where you're throwing vast quantities of air downwards per unit time and so at very small downward velocity. Ground effect doesn't help this. If you want to capture a live bird in a closed garage, keep him flying poking him when he lands with a long pole ; flying at low speed for long is not possible, just a few minutes, and the bird will exhaust himself. The same bird can fly fast hundreds of miles.) -- Ron Hardin On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
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The efficiency of ground effect comes from replacing having to throw
air downwards, which costs energy (less energy the more air you throw at a lesser speed, ie. long wings), with just hovering over a high pressure area that you only have to set up once... Excellent writeup - thanks. Jose -- He who laughs, lasts. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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