a VERY close call....who'd be deck crew?

Thought you guys might be interested

http://www.videosift.com/video/Helic...s-A-Close-Call

But why wouldn't he have kept some negative collective to keep it nailed to
the deck?.... how far would the tips 'dished' down?.....not enough to cause
the crew more worries than they already had??

It seemed very light on the skids on the previous couple of swells??

"Nick" wrote in message
...
Thought you guys might be interested

http://www.videosift.com/video/Helic...s-A-Close-Call

But why wouldn't he have kept some negative collective to keep it nailed
to
the deck?.... how far would the tips 'dished' down?.....not enough to
cause
the crew more worries than they already had??

I think you dreamed "negative collective".

It seemed very light on the skids on the previous couple of swells??

The chap took off. It didn't do this by itself.

Regards
Andrew

On Feb 21, 5:13 am, "Andrew Crane" wrote:
"Nick" wrote in message

...

Thought you guys might be interested

http://www.videosift.com/video/Helic...s-A-Close-Call

But why wouldn't he have kept some negative collective to keep it nailed
to
the deck?.... how far would the tips 'dished' down?.....not enough to
cause
the crew more worries than they already had??

I think you dreamed "negative collective".

It seemed very light on the skids on the previous couple of swells??

The chap took off. It didn't do this by itself.

Regards
Andrew

If the collective was not full down the chopper would be light on the
skids, The ship dropping in the swell would be enough for it to lift
off the deck.

"JohnO" wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 5:13 am, "Andrew Crane" wrote:
"Nick" wrote in message

...

Thought you guys might be interested

http://www.videosift.com/video/Helic...s-A-Close-Call

But why wouldn't he have kept some negative collective to keep it
nailed
to
the deck?.... how far would the tips 'dished' down?.....not enough to
cause
the crew more worries than they already had??

I think you dreamed "negative collective".

It seemed very light on the skids on the previous couple of swells??

The chap took off. It didn't do this by itself.

Regards
Andrew

If the collective was not full down the chopper would be light on the
skids, The ship dropping in the swell would be enough for it to lift
off the deck.

Which begs the question why was he light on the skids in the first place.
And why he didn't respond to the lurching during the previous two swells. I
think he was having a play.

Regards
Andrew

On Feb 23, 4:25 am, "Andrew Crane" wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message

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On Feb 21, 5:13 am, "Andrew Crane" wrote:
"Nick" wrote in message

...

Thought you guys might be interested

http://www.videosift.com/video/Helic...s-A-Close-Call

But why wouldn't he have kept some negative collective to keep it
nailed
to
the deck?.... how far would the tips 'dished' down?.....not enough to
cause
the crew more worries than they already had??

I think you dreamed "negative collective".

It seemed very light on the skids on the previous couple of swells??

The chap took off. It didn't do this by itself.

Regards
Andrew

If the collective was not full down the chopper would be light on the
skids, The ship dropping in the swell would be enough for it to lift
off the deck.

Which begs the question why was he light on the skids in the first place.
And why he didn't respond to the lurching during the previous two swells. I
think he was having a play.

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That or incredibly careless given the situation. Either way, pretty
inexcusable.

Very nice job of instantly dumping collective to get back down after
the tail strike. Any attempt to fly it down and he'd have been history.

"JohnO" wrote in message
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On Feb 23, 4:25 am, "Andrew Crane" wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message

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On Feb 21, 5:13 am, "Andrew Crane" wrote:
"Nick" wrote in message

...

Thought you guys might be interested

http://www.videosift.com/video/Helic...s-A-Close-Call

But why wouldn't he have kept some negative collective to keep it
nailed
to
the deck?.... how far would the tips 'dished' down?.....not enough
to
cause
the crew more worries than they already had??

I think you dreamed "negative collective".

It seemed very light on the skids on the previous couple of
swells??

The chap took off. It didn't do this by itself.

Regards
Andrew

If the collective was not full down the chopper would be light on the
skids, The ship dropping in the swell would be enough for it to lift
off the deck.

Which begs the question why was he light on the skids in the first place.
And why he didn't respond to the lurching during the previous two swells.
I
think he was having a play.

Regards
Andrew- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That or incredibly careless given the situation. Either way, pretty
inexcusable.

Very nice job of instantly dumping collective to get back down after
the tail strike. Any attempt to fly it down and he'd have been history.


Is the netting standard equipment in such cases? Seem like it did a good
job of giving the skids something to grab on to when he set it down. I can
imagine the aircraft sliding off the pad without it.

Also, those have "got" to be two of the luckiest deck hands in the world!

Fly Safe,
Steve R.

Nick wrote:
Thought you guys might be interested

http://www.videosift.com/video/Helic...s-A-Close-Call

But why wouldn't he have kept some negative collective to keep it nailed to
the deck?.... how far would the tips 'dished' down?.....not enough to cause
the crew more worries than they already had??

It seemed very light on the skids on the previous couple of swells??

Wow! He was lucky to get it back down on the deck
in one piece with no tail rotor. It could have
just as easily easily gone over the side.

That video is a good lesson on why hot shots get
in trouble sometimes.

Don W.

On Feb 20, 5:32�pm, Don W
wrote:

Wow! *He was lucky to get it back down on the deck
in one piece with no tail rotor.

No the lucky one is the ground crew guy who was in the rear when the
copter started
to spin. Whoa!!

Elzee36 wrote:
On Feb 20, 5:32�pm, Don W
wrote:


Wow! ?He was lucky to get it back down on the deck
in one piece with no tail rotor.


No the lucky one is the ground crew guy who was in the rear when the
copter started
to spin. Whoa!!

Yes, He was lucky too.

Don W.

"Nick" wrote in message
...
Thought you guys might be interested

http://www.videosift.com/video/Helic...s-A-Close-Call

But why wouldn't he have kept some negative collective to keep it nailed
to the deck?.... how far would the tips 'dished' down?.....not enough to
cause the crew more worries than they already had??

It seemed very light on the skids on the previous couple of swells??


Negative collective? .....ROTFLMFAO! Boy I dont think I have that option on
mine.

My armchair analysis is that the helicopter appeared to have a forward CG
and the deck was pitching as much as 15 degrees and rolling about 7 or 8. I
don't think the pilot really ever "wanted" to take off. It looked to me like
the deck pitched forward a whole lot and he thought the helicopter would
nose over if he didn't take off. The deck angle was pitched very far
forward at the moment of the tail strike, and the camera gives the illusion
that the helicopter was at far less level pitch that it was.

I'm thinking that the pilot was taking the lesser of two evils and got bit
by one of them. Its clear to me that he was pretty skilled because doing a
totally successful hovering auto to that platform like that couldn't be done
by an unskilled pilot. The only bad piloting in this incident appears to
have happened way before the engine started when someone decided that it was
ok to take off in seas like that.

Bart