Iran Capable of Hitting Israel

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030707/323/e3u6k.html

.... but of course they would be suicidal if they did try it, nuke-armed or not.

Rob

Subject: Iran Capable of Hitting Israel
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 7/8/03 9:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030707/323/e3u6k.html

... but of course they would be suicidal if they did try it, nuke-armed or
not.

Rob


The announcement was a tactical mistake. The Israelis are kings of the
pre-emptive strike.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

The announcement was a tactical mistake. The Israelis are kings of the
pre-emptive strike.

Israel has the "you can't get there from here" problem with
that scenario in Iran. They'd have to overfly either Saudi
Arabia or US-controlled Iraq. The US certainly won't
let a strike mission be flown under it's CAP while trying
to get Iraq under control.

In message -
(ArtKramr) writes:


[snip]


The announcement was a tactical mistake. The Israelis are kings of the
pre-emptive strike.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Such increadible missions like attacking an Iraqi reactor or freeing
hostages from Enthebbe look very "sexy" but they have a drawback:
they can only be done once.



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(Arie Kazachin) wrote:

Such increadible missions like attacking an Iraqi reactor or freeing
hostages from Enthebbe look very "sexy" but they have a drawback:
they can only be done once.

Well, when something works 100% the first time, you generally don't have
to repeat it...

--


Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: Iran Capable of Hitting Israel
From: "Wolfie"
Israel has the "you can't get there from here" problem with
that scenario in Iran. They'd have to overfly either Saudi
Arabia or US-controlled Iraq. The US certainly won't
let a strike mission be flown under it's CAP while trying
to get Iraq under control.

We'll see.

Israel can do it in pure physical terms.

But if they achieve it, they either had US complicity or proved the US
incompetent. So, does the US want to be an Israeli poodle, or just plain
clueless? Or else was it a willing partner in an Israeli raid on Iran?
Huge problems either way.

(Odds are it won't happen. Hitting Osiraq was a serious stretch with
much less political trouble, and even though Israel turned that raid
into a remarkable success it should be remembered how marginal it was)

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam

In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: Iran Capable of Hitting Israel
From: "Wolfie"
Israel has the "you can't get there from here" problem with
that scenario in Iran. They'd have to overfly either Saudi
Arabia or US-controlled Iraq. The US certainly won't
let a strike mission be flown under it's CAP while trying
to get Iraq under control.

(Odds are it won't happen. Hitting Osiraq was a serious stretch with
much less political trouble, and even though Israel turned that raid
into a remarkable success it should be remembered how marginal it was)

Note that the Osiraq raid by Israel only happened *after* a failed
attack by Iran...

--


Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Wolfie" wrote in message . com...
"ArtKramr" wrote

The announcement was a tactical mistake. The Israelis are kings of the
pre-emptive strike.

Israel has the "you can't get there from here" problem with
that scenario in Iran. They'd have to overfly either Saudi
Arabia or US-controlled Iraq. The US certainly won't
let a strike mission be flown under it's CAP while trying
to get Iraq under control.

Has any of you ever studied what exactly was there at Tuweitha in 1980
- and what can be found there in Bushehr, now?

Obviously not.

The Iraqis concentrated all their nuclear research facilities - a
Soviet-delivered RTM, the French Osirak 1 and Osirak 2, the
Italian-supplied gas-centrifuge, and all the training and research
facilities - at one place. Their reactors were of the type used
specially for the development of nuclear weapons - no "light-water"
types there.

In the case of Iran, all such facilities are doubled and trippled -
and strewn all over the country: over 150 different facilities are
involved in their projects, of which the most important ones are
burried deep under the ground. The reactors being built at Bushehr are
not burried underground, but of commercial, light-water, type and
therefore not really instrumental - nor needed - for the development
of any nuclear weapons.

So, what can one conclude from this?

Hit Tuweitha, and you destroyed everything (although, the Israelis
actually only destroyed the Osirak 1, the rest was done by the
Iranians in their "failed" attack).

Hit Bushehr, and you haven't done anything - except caused an all-out
war against Iran, which would foremost be fought by "non-conventional"
means and that nobody can win.


Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988
http://www.schifferbooks.com/militar...764316699.html

Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

Chad Irby wrote in message ...
In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: Iran Capable of Hitting Israel
From: "Wolfie"
Israel has the "you can't get there from here" problem with
that scenario in Iran. They'd have to overfly either Saudi
Arabia or US-controlled Iraq. The US certainly won't
let a strike mission be flown under it's CAP while trying
to get Iraq under control.

(Odds are it won't happen. Hitting Osiraq was a serious stretch with
much less political trouble, and even though Israel turned that raid
into a remarkable success it should be remembered how marginal it was)

Note that the Osiraq raid by Israel only happened *after* a failed
attack by Iran...

Wrong.

It happened in coordination with the Iranians: each side destroyed a
specific part of the installations - and did this with the help of the
other's side intel. By demolishing the Osirak 1 reactor ONLY the
Israelis would not be able to destroy and considerably postpone the
Iraqi project; so, somebody had to do the rest, don't you think so?

The question was only if it was in the interest of the political
commanders of this "somebody" to let the public know in full what the
"traitors" of that "disloyal", "pro-royal" etc. service are really
doing and capable - or not.


Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988
http://www.schifferbooks.com/militar...764316699.html

Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

"Ulf Jørgensen" wrote in message ...
The Israelis have their own ballistic missiles.
Jericho 2 have an alleged range of 1500-2000 km which means there is no need
to overfly any country.

And those missles don't have to travel through anyone's airspace? I
think the response to such a launch would be just as furious as that
to a strike package flying over.

Rob