recording of birth certificate and passport numbers

My flight instructor is now insisting that he has to see and record my
birth certificate and passport before he can fly with me. To my
knowledge this is not required for American Citizens, only foreigners.
I need only show that I am an American Citizen, but don't have to submit
to recording.

Is this true? Where can I find the actual regulation?

Jose
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:46:15 GMT, Jose
wrote:

My flight instructor is now insisting that he has to see and record my
birth certificate and passport before he can fly with me. To my
knowledge this is not required for American Citizens, only foreigners.
I need only show that I am an American Citizen, but don't have to submit
to recording.

Is this true? Where can I find the actual regulation?

49 CFR 1552.3 paragraphs H and I. You have to get TSA approval for
training if you're a foregin citizen, but documentation of US
citizenship is required to be shown. They have to keep records of the
proof of citizenship for 5 years. AOPAs page summarizing this says
they could make a log entry instead, but knowing how the TSA works I'd
bet they removed that provision and want to see actual photocopies of
the document if they go looking for some reason.

Peter Clark wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:46:15 GMT, Jose
wrote:


My flight instructor is now insisting that he has to see and record my
birth certificate and passport before he can fly with me. To my
knowledge this is not required for American Citizens, only foreigners.
I need only show that I am an American Citizen, but don't have to submit
to recording.

Is this true? Where can I find the actual regulation?
At my flying club they keep photocopies of the appropriate passport
page. I am from Australia orginally, and speak 'Australian' English,
which ****es off ATC occasionally! My flying instructor was quite happy
to find out that I am a dual national, and hence they did not need to
submit stuff to the FAA.

James.




49 CFR 1552.3 paragraphs H and I. You have to get TSA approval for
training if you're a foregin citizen, but documentation of US
citizenship is required to be shown. They have to keep records of the
proof of citizenship for 5 years. AOPAs page summarizing this says
they could make a log entry instead, but knowing how the TSA works I'd
bet they removed that provision and want to see actual photocopies of
the document if they go looking for some reason.

James wrote:
I am from Australia orginally, and speak 'Australian' English,
which ****es off ATC occasionally!

You must have a few twitchy ATC folks.

I'd bet ATC would welcome Aussie English any day, based on what I
normally hear on the radio around Boston and NY. G

B A R R Y wrote in news:h5abi.14037$RX.6072
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:

James wrote:
You must have a few twitchy ATC folks.

I'd bet ATC would welcome Aussie English any day, based on what I
normally hear on the radio around Boston and NY. G

Reminds me of the time I was being handled by Norcal Approach for
SFO. An Aeroflot Pilot called in with the most impeccable English
and with very clear enunciation but you could tell he was Russian;
Americans just don't speak that clearly. g

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:51:51 -0000, John Godwin
wrote:

Reminds me of the time I was being handled by Norcal Approach for
SFO. An Aeroflot Pilot called in with the most impeccable English
and with very clear enunciation but you could tell he was Russian;
Americans just don't speak that clearly. g

My granddaughters live on a boat in the South Atlantic. They came up
for a visit a few weeks ago, and their mother took them to the
pediatrician for a checkup. The doctor asked the older girl (six) if
she spoke any languages other than English, and she replied, "Yes.
American."

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com

On Jun 10, 1:46 pm, Jose wrote:
My flight instructor is now insisting that he has to see and record my
birth certificate and passport before he can fly with me. To my
knowledge this is not required for American Citizens, only foreigners.
I need only show that I am an American Citizen, but don't have to submit
to recording.

Is this true? Where can I find the actual regulation?

Its true. This is a TSA rule. I have to see your passport or B-
certificate and then either keep a copy or endorse your log that I've
seen it. If you are not a U.S. citizen I need to get TSA pre-approval
for you.

-Robert, CFII & TSA registered provider of foreign flight training

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com...
On Jun 10, 1:46 pm, Jose wrote:
My flight instructor is now insisting that he has to see and record my
birth certificate ---and--- passport before he can fly with me. To my
knowledge this is not required for American Citizens, only foreigners.
I need only show that I am an American Citizen, but don't have to submit
to recording.

Is this true? Where can I find the actual regulation?

Its true. This is a TSA rule. I have to see your passport ---or--- B-
certificate and then either keep a copy or endorse your log that I've
seen it. If you are not a U.S. citizen I need to get TSA pre-approval
for you.

-Robert, CFII & TSA registered provider of foreign flight training


Key word is -or-, not -and-....

In article .com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On Jun 10, 1:46 pm, Jose wrote:
My flight instructor is now insisting that he has to see and record my
birth certificate and passport before he can fly with me. To my
knowledge this is not required for American Citizens, only foreigners.
I need only show that I am an American Citizen, but don't have to submit
to recording.

Is this true? Where can I find the actual regulation?

Its true. This is a TSA rule. I have to see your passport or B-
certificate and then either keep a copy or endorse your log that I've
seen it. If you are not a U.S. citizen I need to get TSA pre-approval
for you.

-Robert, CFII & TSA registered provider of foreign flight training

A copy of my birth certificate and my passport?
Are CFI's required to be bonded now?
This is a requirement ripe for identiy theft.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:46:51 -0400, john smith
wrote:

A copy of my birth certificate and my passport?

- OR - not - and -.

The flight school is required to keep a photo copy. I had to cough up
a passport to get my TSA logbook endorsement two years ago. The
endorsement includes my passport number.

Are CFI's required to be bonded now?
This is a requirement ripe for identiy theft.

You have a point.