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Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?
Two days ago, while returning from the east coast on a business trip, I
heard an exchange between a plane going to OSH and the controllers in Michigan. We were at 10,000 in an out of IMC and doing a large deviation to avoid a line of thunderstorms. The pilot going to OSH asked for an IFR clearance in the air to go to an intersection near OSH (?) The controller patiently explained that a reservation was required to get a clearance into OSH, although the pilot didn't seem to understand what this meant, and kept asking for a clearance to some intersection near OSH. Finally, the controller said it wasn't going to happen, and offered VFR advisories over the lake (roughly 80 miles). The pilot accepted this, and proceeded to fly over the lake, between layers of clouds, at 4500 feet in a single. I mentally wished him luck. While getting gas at my home base, the line guy related a story of a couple in a clapped out ratty home built who wanted to leave at night to fly over Lake Michigan, VFR. They said they did similar over water trips all the time, and that they knew how to swim. About five minutes after departure they returned, with a complete electrical failure. Most of the pilots I know would acknowledge that flying over Lake Michigan in a single is a calculated risk, and would do it high, with lots of gas, and perhaps with survival gear. Some won't do it at all in a single, since the survival rate after ditching is very low. Most wouldn't do it at night or in IMC. Are there any other stories out there about questionable judgment flying into OSH? |
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Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?
"Viperdoc" wrote in message
... Are there any other stories out there about questionable judgment flying into OSH? I was flying east over the lake from OSH at 11,500' in a loose formation of five planes. About half way over, I saw a bright yellow cub flying the other way at what looked like 1000'. |
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"Viperdoc" wrote in message
Most of the pilots I know would acknowledge that flying over Lake Michigan in a single is a calculated risk, and would do it high, with lots of gas, and perhaps with survival gear. Some won't do it at all in a single, **since the survival rate after ditching is very low**. Most wouldn't do it at night or in IMC. Are you sure about that survival rate? Here's one site that provides stats disproving that theory (old, but the trends aren't likely to have changed much since): http://www.equipped.com/ditchingmyths.htm -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer http://sage1solutions.com/products NEW! FlyteBalance v2.0 (W&B); FlyteLog v2.0 (Logbook) ____________________ |
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Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?
"Viperdoc" wrote in message
... Two days ago, while returning from the east coast on a business trip, I heard an exchange between a plane going to OSH and the controllers in Michigan. We were at 10,000 in an out of IMC and doing a large deviation to avoid a line of thunderstorms. The pilot going to OSH asked for an IFR clearance in the air to go to an intersection near OSH (?) The controller patiently explained that a reservation was required to get a clearance into OSH, although the pilot didn't seem to understand what this meant, and kept asking for a clearance to some intersection near OSH. Finally, the controller said it wasn't going to happen, and offered VFR advisories over the lake (roughly 80 miles). The pilot accepted this, and proceeded to fly over the lake, between layers of clouds, at 4500 feet in a single. I mentally wished him luck. While getting gas at my home base, the line guy related a story of a couple in a clapped out ratty home built who wanted to leave at night to fly over Lake Michigan, VFR. They said they did similar over water trips all the time, and that they knew how to swim. I think the most telling clue is the fact that they do it "all the time." These people are squarely in the "bonehead" category of pilots that occupy the bottom 10% of the population and are a statistic waiting to happen. The fact that it's on the way to OSH is inconsequential. Marco |
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John T wrote: "Viperdoc" wrote in message Most of the pilots I know would acknowledge that flying over Lake Michigan in a single is a calculated risk, and would do it high, with lots of gas, and perhaps with survival gear. Some won't do it at all in a single, **since the survival rate after ditching is very low**. Most wouldn't do it at night or in IMC. Are you sure about that survival rate? Here's one site that provides stats disproving that theory (old, but the trends aren't likely to have changed much since): There is surviving the ditching, and surviving the swim in Lake Michigan. In the context of this discussion, I'd count failing the second part as a failed ditching. John -- John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/ |
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Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?
"John Clear" wrote in message
There is surviving the ditching, and surviving the swim in Lake Michigan. In the context of this discussion, I'd count failing the second part as a failed ditching. I agree and that would have been reflected in the stats quoted in the link. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer http://sage1solutions.com/products NEW! FlyteBalance v2.0 (W&B); FlyteLog v2.0 (Logbook) ____________________ |
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Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?
"Viperdoc" wrote in message
... Most of the pilots I know would acknowledge that flying over Lake Michigan in a single is a calculated risk, and would do it high, with lots of gas, and perhaps with survival gear. Some won't do it at all in a single, since the survival rate after ditching is very low. Most wouldn't do it at night or in IMC. If I'm going to be ditching 40 miles from shore, I choose to do it in the Gulf of Mexico instead of Lake Michigan. Maybe I'll get lucky and be able to ditch near a shrimp boat or oil rig. At the very least, it'll be warmer. |
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Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?
The issue here is not the ditching part, it's surviving Lake Michigan
for any length of time requires full survival gear. That lake has big steel freighters on the bottom that have yet to be found after going down (although amateurs are actively looking). I flew over earlier this year in a 182, at 12,500 in CAVU conditions with a brisk tailwind and felt acutely aware of the risk, but it was a beautiful flight. I think those who fly over down low may not realize how big it is when they get over the middle. Taking the ferry accross, there is a period in the middle where you see nothing but water for a couple of hours... I volunteer at OSH and I remember a guy in non-electric Champ getting out (with a parrott no less) from lower Michigan, having flown directly across at about 2000'. I question the judgement, but he made it... The bigger issue remains the bone-heads who have no clue about the arrival procedure, don't know anything about the NOTAM, and call in at the 5 mile point on the Class D asking "for clearance" as one Canadian Mooney last Sunday did (they were not too happy with him, but much to my frustration the contollers worked with him rather than sending him off somewhere else. It happens every year (and this year more than once). The other issue is those who get mixed up and try to land on the wrong runway (like landing on 9 rather than the 50 people landing on 27), which will get you a visit from the FSDO folks REAL QUICK. (which I witnessed the other day up close). OR, after landing not following directions and "freelancing" around the airport with people everywhere, blithly ignoring all the EAA folks. SO, there is alot of stupid pilot tricks out there. -Ryan |
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Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?
In article .com,
" wrote: [snip] I volunteer at OSH and I remember a guy in non-electric Champ getting out (with a parrott no less) from lower Michigan, having flown directly across at about 2000'. I question the judgement, but he made it... The bigger issue remains the bone-heads who have no clue about the arrival procedure, don't know anything about the NOTAM, ... I'm not sure which is more dangerous, low over the lakes or going to OSH given the known number of idiots who arrive without a clue. How good is a pilot that doesn't properly prepare? -- Bob Noel (goodness, please trim replies!!!) |
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Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?
On Jul 28, 6:53 am, " wrote:
.. I volunteer at OSH and I remember a guy in non-electric Champ getting out (with a parrott no less) from lower Michigan, having flown directly across at about 2000'. I question the judgement, but he made it... .. -Ryan It was the Parrot that did it! LOL They should give out a Darwin award at OSH... Robert |
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