A question about the Transall C160

Anyone have any data in regards to the types of military vehicles and number
carried that could fit inside the plane for air transport?

Looking at the French Army vehicle mainly - thanks in advance

Brian

Brian wrote in message
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Anyone have any data in regards to the types of military vehicles and
number
carried that could fit inside the plane for air transport?

Looking at the French Army vehicle mainly - thanks in advance

Brian

France has an army?

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Scott
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"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.

So what if they decided not to invade Iraq with bully Bush and his UK
puppet. Lot of other countries decided not to as well - I here no Sweden
bashing or Finland bashing - what about Morocco or Luxembourg?? The list of
so called allies is a lot shorter than the list of countries that stayed out
of it.

France is an independant country and that in itself was one reason for
deciding to withdraw from NATO - so they could pursue their own course of
action.



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Brian wrote in message
news:Bz6db.436620$Oz4.244338@rwcrnsc54...
Anyone have any data in regards to the types of military vehicles and
number
carried that could fit inside the plane for air transport?

Looking at the French Army vehicle mainly - thanks in advance

Brian

France has an army?

--

Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

"Brian" wrote in message
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Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.

How many battles has the Le Clerc been in?

France is an independant country and that in itself was one reason for
deciding to withdraw from NATO - so they could pursue their own course of
action.

Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed in just
enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never actually do any
work.

"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"Brian" wrote in message
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Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.

How many battles has the Le Clerc been in?

France is an independant country and that in itself was one reason for
deciding to withdraw from NATO - so they could pursue their own course of
action.

Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed in just
enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never actually do any
work.

Actually, they did pull out of NATO. By March 1966, deGaulle had withdrawn
France from NATO and its command structure because he felt that France needed to
be independent of joint security considerations, which would not have been
possible had they remained in NATO. As an example, they would have been unable
to bar the presence of missiles from their soil that were under foreign (to
them) control, which was a step that de Gaulle actually took. They remained out
of NATO until Mitterand brought them back in during the early '90s, although I
am not sure of that date or time period.

George Z.

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"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"Brian" wrote in message
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Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing
already and get back into life - I supposed you have stopped
eating French Fries too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with
very good equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the
vaunted M1.

How many battles has the Le Clerc been in?

France is an independant country and that in itself was one
reason for deciding to withdraw from NATO - so they could pursue
their own course of action.

Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed
in just enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never
actually do any
work.

Actually, they did pull out of NATO. By March 1966, deGaulle had
withdrawn France from NATO and its command structure because he felt
that France needed to be independent of joint security

Not exactly correct. France withdrew from the NATO military command
structure but remained a member of the Atlantic Coucil and other political
aspects of NATO.

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"Brian" wrote in message
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Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already
and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries
too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very
good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.

How many battles has the Le Clerc been in?

France is an independant country and that in itself was one reason for
deciding to withdraw from NATO - so they could pursue their own course
of
action.

Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed in
just
enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never actually do any
work.

Actually, they did pull out of NATO. By March 1966, deGaulle had
withdrawn
France from NATO and its command structure because he felt that France
needed to
be independent of joint security considerations, which would not have been
possible had they remained in NATO.

They pulled out of the military end, but they pointedly remained on the
political council. Like I said, they pulled out enough to get out of any
work, and remained in enough to whine about stuff.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:47:24 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
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"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"Brian" wrote in message
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Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.

How many battles has the Le Clerc been in?

France is an independant country and that in itself was one reason for
deciding to withdraw from NATO - so they could pursue their own course of
action.

Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed in just
enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never actually do any
work.

Actually, they did pull out of NATO. By March 1966, deGaulle had withdrawn
France from NATO and its command structure because he felt that France needed to
be independent of joint security considerations, which would not have been
possible had they remained in NATO. As an example, they would have been unable
to bar the presence of missiles from their soil that were under foreign (to
them) control, which was a step that de Gaulle actually took. They remained out
of NATO until Mitterand brought them back in during the early '90s, although I
am not sure of that date or time period.

George Z.




No, they only pulled out of the security accords, they stayed in NATO
as a hanger on. They only rejoined the security accords when it became
clear that the US had won the cold war.

Al Minyard

Umm, they didn't "pull out" of NATO. They very conveniently stayed in
just
enough to whine about stuff but far enough out to never actually do any
work.

Actually, they did pull out of NATO. By March 1966, deGaulle had
withdrawn
France from NATO and its command structure because he felt that France
needed to
be independent of joint security considerations, which would not have been
possible had they remained in NATO. As an example, they would have been
unable
to bar the presence of missiles from their soil that were under foreign
(to
them) control, which was a step that de Gaulle actually took. They
remained out
of NATO until Mitterand brought them back in during the early '90s,
although I
am not sure of that date or time period.

George Z.

As I remember they pulled out at least partly due to the Cuban missile
crisis. It became apparent to them, and everyone else, that Europe could not
depend on the US not to sell them out in a crisis. As happened. The US were
willing to do a secret deal with the Soviets to pull out the missiles from
Turkey in exchange for the Soviets pulling their missiles out of Cuba. The
US would not be willing to commit to full scale war for Europe. The French
felt that they needed an independent nuclear capability to deter the
Soviets, rather than relying on the US, who had demonstrated a willingness
to sacrifice NATO security for their own.

Not that I blame the US. The whole massive retaliation thing wasn't a really
practical proposition. In may sound good in theory, but when things come to
a crunch, the US really couldn't be expected to make the supreme sacrifice
for Europe. The Europeans knew this and were always wary of US efforts to
distance themselves, or to restrict nuclear war just to Europe. I guess if
the French nuked Moscow, the Soviets wouldn't have worried who they nuked in
retaliation. Share the pain.

As for the Transall, my 1968 Observors says crew of 4, 81 troops or 62
casualty stretchers and 4 medical attendants. Other (vehicle) loads not
exceeding 35,270 lb. weight.Military Transports and Training Aircraft of the
World add cross section of the cabin is 9ft, 7in by 10 ft 2 1/2 in for a
length of 42 ft.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:18:45 GMT, "Ragnar"
wrote:


"Brian" wrote in message
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Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.

How many battles has the Le Clerc been in?

It's gone to war every time the French have gone to war with a need
for heavy armour since it entered service.

Just because it hasn't fought yet doesn't mean it's no good.

Or is the US nuclear deterrent crap because it's never been used in
anger?

Peter Kemp