Which aircraft will live in history forever?

Which ones?


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(ArtKramr) wrote:

Which ones?

Arthur Kramer

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Which ones?


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ArtKramr ) writes:
Which ones?

Wright Flyer
Douglas DC-3 opened air travel for many
Boeing 707 First practical Jetliner
Boeing B-52 seems like it'll fly forever
Lockheed C-130 Hercules 49 years old still in production
Piper Cub opened general aviation for many

On 27 Nov 2003 03:52:24 GMT, (Darrell A.
Larose) wrote (a good list!)

Wright Flyer

Absolutely, especially after this year. Poor Ken Hyde! His replica
just crashed.

Douglas DC-3 opened air travel for many

There's one parked on the grass at Hampton Airport. It's my
grand-daughter's favorite plane.

Boeing B-52 seems like it'll fly forever

Right! It'll live in history forever in an entirely new way.

Piper Cub opened general aviation for many

And continues to do so. All students at Hampton Airport start out on a
J-3.

And note that the Cub is remarkable in another way: it's still in
production, as the PA-18 Top Cub from Cub Crafters in WA.

The J-3 I fly cost $2600 new in 1946. A Top Cub with no frills will
cost you $140,000 today.



all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put CUB in subject line)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

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Wright Flyer

Agreed

Douglas DC-3 opened air travel for many

Yes

Boeing 707 First practical Jetliner

The Comet should get that despite it's initial problems.

Boeing B-52 seems like it'll fly forever

Skipping the Mustang and Spitfire?

Lockheed C-130 Hercules 49 years old still in production

So is the FW-190 and ME-262 if you push the technicalities.........

Piper Cub opened general aviation for many

Yup.


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Which ones?

Wright Flyer

Agreed

Douglas DC-3 opened air travel for many

Yes

Boeing 707 First practical Jetliner

The Comet should get that despite it's initial problems.

Boeing B-52 seems like it'll fly forever

Skipping the Mustang and Spitfire?

Lockheed C-130 Hercules 49 years old still in production

So is the FW-190 and ME-262 if you push the technicalities.........

Piper Cub opened general aviation for many

So did the Tiger Moth and Taylorcraft Auster, over here.

Mike
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M.J.Powell

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Wright Flyer

Agreed


Douglas DC-3 opened air travel for many

Yes

Boeing 707 First practical Jetliner

The Comet should get that despite it's initial problems.

I'd have to disagreee, here. The COmet I was a pioneer, but it was
hardly practical. You could even make a case that the early Comet
experience, along with experience gained with the USAF's B-47s, set
back the willingness of teh airlines to accept jet transports, rather
than moving it ahead.

The Comet Is, even without the two fatigue-induced crashes, had a
dismal safety record. (As an example, it had incredibly tight
tolerances for handling durig takeoff and landing. At around 120 kts,
you had to rotate it to an AOA of exactly 10 degrees, += 1 degree. If you
underrotated, you'd never get off the ground on any runway known at
that time. If you overrotated, the increased Induced Drag would
prevent you from reaching takeoff speed at all. If you rotated early
(slow), teh increased induced drag would stop you again. On a
percantage basis, more Comet Is were lost than the Notoriously Evil
B-58. The B-47 also had some demanding handling characteristics, most
notable its long takeoff runs, and, due to the slow acceleration of
the J47s that powered them, and the bicycle landing gear, in the
landing pattern. The statistics of the Comet, and the first-hand
reports of ex-USAF Airline Pilots who'd flown the B-47, convinced the
airlines that large jets would be too knife-edged to allow safe
operation in airline conditions. This is on top of the range and
payload performance, which was marginal for the North Atlantic run.

The 707 changed all that. Although it was a big, fast long-ranged
jet, it was designed to fly just like any other transport. Boeing's
selling method was to take the prospective airline's Cheif Pilot, sit
him in the left seat, and have him fly the airplane. The operating
economy was much more favorable, as well. Once they entered service,
it was found that a 707 could make 3-4 transatlantic trips in the time
that it rook a DC-7 or COnstellation to make 1 trip. This was due to
the simplicity and reliability of the jets over the later
recips. (R3350, for the most part. The R4360 was never a player in
the commercial scene). Basically, when a recip airliner landed in
London after hopping over from New York, (Landings at Gander, Shannin
or Prestwick, and, possibly Rekyjvik), you had to go through it with a
fine-tooted comb to tune the engines and props for the next flight.
The 707 (and, a bit later, the DC-8), just needed to be swept out,
refuelled, the meals and passengers loaded, and off it went with a new
crew.

The Comet was important, much as the Fokker F.VIIb Trimotor was
important. It showed a hint of what was to come, but didn't change
things very much. The 707, on the other hand, had an impact about
like that of the DC-3. It changed the way that Air Travel was going
to work forever after.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

(Peter Stickney) wrote in
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The Comet was important, much as the Fokker F.VIIb Trimotor was
important. It showed a hint of what was to come, but didn't
change things very much. The 707, on the other hand, had an
impact about like that of the DC-3. It changed the way that Air
Travel was going to work forever after.

I saw a program on Discovery once about the 707, and if I remember
correctly the 707 was a revolution in more ways than just it's
performance and impact, it's design and production aspects brought
together more Boeing intellect and production facilities than
any airplane before it. Much like the B-29 also did, if I'm not
mistaking.


Regards...