Flying in Germany

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I've known Harmut from many years ago when he was flying his Ercoupe
from the Bay Area. He returned to Germany a few years ago and wrote
this report from his native land on the differences between US and
German GA.
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I've known Harmut from many years ago when he was flying his Ercoupe
from the Bay Area. *He returned to Germany a few years ago and wrote
this report from his native land on the differences between US and
German GA.

That interesting. I lived in Berlin for a year or so. I'm not
surprised at the level of regulation or the fact that German law in
practice trusts "foreigners" more than Germans. The once Nazi country
can't be seen as being unwelcoming to non Germans.

Pretty interesting, didn't realize the rules are so bizarre in
Germany. AOPA would probably love to publish this.. with the dollar so
weak, it would be a steal for Europeans and others to come to the US
for flight training.

On Dec 25, 7:02 am, Bob Fry wrote:
http://jimsladesairlines.com/beil.html

I've known Harmut from many years ago when he was flying his Ercoupe
from the Bay Area. He returned to Germany a few years ago and wrote
this report from his native land on the differences between US and
German GA.
--
Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really
easy way; stop participating in it.
~ Noam Chomsky

schrieb:
Pretty interesting, didn't realize the rules are so bizarre in
Germany.

this is not only true for Germany.

AOPA would probably love to publish this.. with the dollar so
weak, it would be a steal for Europeans

It was already cheaper back then when the dollar was pretty expensive.

and others to come to the US for flight training.

I know more than 10 people personally who *did* that back then (myself
included [1]) but excluded this country for a couple of years now for
further visits (not only for flying but also for leisure/pleasure).

I know only 2 guys personally who visited in resent years. One was there
for a type rating. It was OK, but he felt not really (hmm, what is the
correct word for this situation?) happy anymore - compared to his
earlier visits. The other one had to visit for business purpose (he is a
university professor in chemistry) and he had some bizzare experiences
and stories to tell.

#m

[1] I did it in 2002 (and earlier, too). Whith the money I spent then
I'd today fly probably double the hours.

"MH" == Martin Hotze writes:

MH I know more than 10 people personally who *did* that back then
MH (myself included [1]) but excluded this country for a couple
MH of years now for further visits (not only for flying but also
MH for leisure/pleasure).

Hey, c'mon down! Well, come on over. California is friendly :-)
That's what you get for visiting those fly-over red states. We can
start repairing the damage about 13 months from now.
--
Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it can't be done and it only ticks
off the pig.
~ Robert Heinlein

Hey, c'mon down! *Well, come on over. *California is friendly :-)
That's what you get for visiting those fly-over red states. *We can
start repairing the damage about 13 months from now.

Texas is friendlier.

Ya'll.

Besides we have better BBQ close to the local airports.

I know more than 10 people personally who *did* that back then (myself
included [1]) but excluded this country for a couple of years now for
further visits (not only for flying but also for leisure/pleasure).


Why so? I think the US is a pretty awesome place for leisure
activities. Germany is too but we have autobahns here (in the sky) ;-)

"Martin Hotze" wrote

FYI, most of the German autobahns (70 or so percent) are regulated and
restricted to a max. speed of only 130 km/h - or less.
How long has it been like that?

I visited our former exchange student in Germany, many years ago (18 or a
few more, as a guess) and the road we drove on was not regulated, or the
driver (cousin of the exchange student) that picked us up at the airport did
not drive like there was a limit.

We crammed 5 of us into the Ford Fiesta, with our luggage, and took off. It
was bottoming out at almost every bump. I could not see the speedometer,
but we were hauling ass, for sure. I don't mind fast speeds in a car that
is designed for it, but I don't think Ford had those speeds and loads in
mind for that car!

With that little car, at those speeds, I decided that it would be better to
take a nap, to get a start on the jet lag. I also didn't have to watch my
possible impending demise, also! g
--
Jim in NC

On Dec 26, 4:49*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Martin Hotze" wrote

FYI, most of the German autobahns (70 or so percent) are regulated and
restricted to a max. speed of only 130 km/h - or less.

*How long has it been like that?

When I lived there in 1985 to about 1991 it was as that man says,
mostly regulated.

There were a few stretches here and there where you could go flat out
if the traffic allowed. Of course the traffic never really allowed.

Why so? Due to the development in recent
years. This is - and this is a sentiment I share with many others - not
only a con-Bush thing (and I doubt that there will be a substantial
change with somebody else as elected Kin^wQuee^wPresident). IMHO the
climate towards strangers and foreigners from the general public changed
dramatically (sadly enough this also happened here in Europe). In the
same time the old Europe grew up and took position (not always the best
position, though).

That's a crock, about the ferners I mean. ("ferners" is Texas slang
for "foreigners"). Lots of people are PO'd about illegal immigration.
Yeah well whatever. Generally the mood toward ferners is far more
conciliatory here in the US than what I experienced when I lived in
Germany. The Turks and Middle Easterner's and whatnot have only been
accepted due to raw need post WWII and TREMENDOUS social pressure to
not be seen as anti-foreigner. In Germany you're pressured to either
extreme (by Ami standards) either to the left (these days) or to the
right (in the 30s). What the hell.

Amusingly, last time I was in Germany last spring, the biggest jerk by
far was some middle eastern guy who was waiting tables at a restaurant
where I was at. He drove off with a friend while my wife and I were
still eating. He'd waited on us and knew I had an accent at least as
powerful as his own. He shouts out "Auslaender RAUS!" (foreigner's
out!) in our general direction. Heh.

Anyway you should be free to boycott any country for whatever
political reasons you want.

FYI, most of the German autobahns (70 or so percent) are regulated and
restricted to a max. speed of only 130 km/h - or less.

When they are not "regulated" by traffic jams down to 30 or 40 kph.