Generating the Juice

I want to describe a clever generator here, and hear what you people think of
this idea.

To begin, you should understand that a large coil placed high in the Earth's
magnetic field is capable of creating very high voltage. As the lines of
magnetic flux travel out from one pole toward the other, the flux moves through
the conductor creating the EMF that forces electrons to flow. I believe that, in
fact, such an experimental apparatus could have been responsible for causing the
recent East coast power outage. A very large conductor may have been placed high
on a tower in the Earth's magnetic field and connected to the power distribution
grid, overloading the system.

My generator uses the magnetic field surrounding a bar magnet, which is
essentially what the Earth is. A coil of wire, simply placed next to the magnet,
is acted upon by the flow of flux and produces endless electricity. This
generator needs no additional outside power, no fuel, and uses NO moving parts.
It is the movement of the very flux *itself* through the conductor that induces
current to flow!

This is a simple device, and the brief description I provided pretty well covers
the basics. If you want to learn the details about how this works, just ask.


All advice and comments are appreciated.
Thank you,

-Garfield-

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:29:02 -0700, terra wrote:

:I want to describe a clever generator here, and hear what you people think of
:this idea.
:
:To begin, you should understand that a large coil placed high in the Earth's
:magnetic field is capable of creating very high voltage. As the lines of
:magnetic flux travel out from one pole toward the other, the flux moves through
:the conductor creating the EMF that forces electrons to flow. I believe that, in
:fact, such an experimental apparatus could have been responsible for causing the
:recent East coast power outage. A very large conductor may have been placed high
n a tower in the Earth's magnetic field and connected to the power distribution
:grid, overloading the system.
:
:My generator uses the magnetic field surrounding a bar magnet, which is
:essentially what the Earth is. A coil of wire, simply placed next to the magnet,
:is acted upon by the flow of flux and produces endless electricity. This
:generator needs no additional outside power, no fuel, and uses NO moving parts.
:It is the movement of the very flux *itself* through the conductor that induces
:current to flow!
:
:This is a simple device, and the brief description I provided pretty well covers
:the basics. If you want to learn the details about how this works, just ask.
:
:
:All advice and comments are appreciated.
:Thank you,
:
: -Garfield-

For your large coil to produce electricity, it must move relative to
the magnetic lines of force. What you describe will make a tiny,
tiney amount of electricity because the entire magnetic field of the
earth is slowly shifting relative to the crust and thus relative to
your coil.

OTOH, if you were to put your coil in low earth orbit, moving about
25,000 miles an hour, it would generate a LOT of electricity. And a
lot of drag as it breaks the lines of force, so it wouldn't stay in
orbit long.

If you don't believe me, test it. Buy a large, powerful magnet. Wrap
a coil, attach the ends to an amp meter and put the coil next to the
magnet. Nothing. Move the coil, you get a reading. Put it down,
nothing.

You can get a high voltage potential off a high tower (or off a
tethered balloon) but it's a static charge, there's no amperage behind
it. See http://f3wm.free.fr/sciences/jefimenko.html or search Google
for "corona motor" or "electrostatic motor."

==
My name is Nobody

I want to describe a clever generator here, and hear what you people think of
this idea.

Snake oil

terra wrote:
I want to describe a clever generator here, and hear what you people think of
this idea.

Thanks everybody, even CSA722. The idea isn't really mine, and I wanted to see
how some other aviation-oriented people would respond to it. I'm an A&P student
and (I'm wincing while writing this) my Electrical Theory instructor dropped
this bomb on the class. I've become known as the guy who always badgers the
instructor because I disagree with him constantly, but now it's time to just let
things go. He's had enough of me.

I expected to see some scoffing here, but I got some really pleasant replies. I
could have done a lot better at persuading "Garfield" that he's wrong about some
things. I simply pushed. Naturally, he pushed back. I failed.

You'd have to move the wire in the circuit across the lines of flux,
and this would take work, because the magnetic field would resist the
motion.

If you'd like, do the experiment, loft 10,000 miles of copper wire
into orbit, them put your VOM across the ends, now using a tiny
spaceship, move the wire with a componant normal the the lines of
flux, see the needle deflect.

One of the great things about fresh eyes on a problem is they haven't
accepted all the assumptions that everyone else has already made, so
you really get some out of the box ideas.

What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(

terra wrote in message ...
terra wrote:
I want to describe a clever generator here, and hear what you people think of
this idea.

Thanks everybody, even CSA722. The idea isn't really mine, and I wanted to see
how some other aviation-oriented people would respond to it. I'm an A&P student
and (I'm wincing while writing this) my Electrical Theory instructor dropped
this bomb on the class. I've become known as the guy who always badgers the
instructor because I disagree with him constantly, but now it's time to just let
things go. He's had enough of me.

I expected to see some scoffing here, but I got some really pleasant replies. I
could have done a lot better at persuading "Garfield" that he's wrong about some
things. I simply pushed. Naturally, he pushed back. I failed.

"Jay" wrote in message
m...
What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(

And........ What will happen if you don't do it?

Rich "The Sky is falling!" S.

In article , "Rich S."
writes:

What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(

And........ What will happen if you don't do it?



I can't remember the location but tidal power is currently being used to
generate electricty. It would seem to be more dependable for the long haul
than wind or solar since you can predict the tides with great accuracy.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Generating electricity from wind and tides is neat since electricity can be
converted into other forms of energy easily. However, generation and
conversion comes with losses. Sometimes it's worth looking beyond
electricity to see what it is to be used for.

For example, an acquaintance of mine has a workshop located at the end of a
long REA powerline that cannot power big electric power tools. So, he uses
air driven shop tools. Where does he get the compressed air? He built a
windmill that drives a big air compressor. The compressed air is stored in
large tanks until he needs it.

Another acquaintance heats his remote ranch house with a windmill that
churns water to heat it. He also gets heat from solar water heaters.

Ingenuity triumphs again.

Bill Daniels


"RobertR237" wrote in message
...
In article , "Rich S."
writes:

What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(

And........ What will happen if you don't do it?



I can't remember the location but tidal power is currently being used to
generate electricty. It would seem to be more dependable for the long
haul
than wind or solar since you can predict the tides with great accuracy.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Nova Scotia, just north of Annapolis Royale, on the bay of Fundy, where
tides are in the 40 foot range.

BJC

"RobertR237" wrote in message
...
In article , "Rich S."
writes:

What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(

And........ What will happen if you don't do it?



I can't remember the location but tidal power is currently being used to
generate electricty. It would seem to be more dependable for the long
haul
than wind or solar since you can predict the tides with great accuracy.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)