Lockheed Lancer?

Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back in the 70s
for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was
a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the program or
even if a mock up was built.

"Brendan Grace" wrote in
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Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back
in the 70s for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was
a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the
program or even if a mock up was built.

Google never lets us down.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
&q=lockheed+lancer


Regards...

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message
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"Brendan Grace" wrote in
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Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back
in the 70s for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was
a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the
program or even if a mock up was built.

Google never lets us down.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
&q=lockheed+lancer


Regards...

Actually Google does let us down. Note that none of the links supplied give
much information or any pictures.

Regards to you too...

"Brendan Grace" wrote:

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message
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"Brendan Grace" wrote in
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Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back
in the 70s for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was
a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the
program or even if a mock up was built.

Google never lets us down.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
&q=lockheed+lancer


Regards...

Actually Google does let us down. Note that none of the links supplied
give
much information or any pictures.

Regards to you too...

You could try finding a copy of "The X-Planes X-1 to X-nn", Jay Miller (the
value of nn depends on the edition you find). The Lockheed X-27 Lancer
coverage includes pictures of the mock-up and a reasonable history of the
program.

Thanks for the reading tips all. Amazon time for book hunting!

Brendan Grace wrote:
"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message
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"Brendan Grace" wrote in
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Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back
in the 70s for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was
a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the
program or even if a mock up was built.

Google never lets us down.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
&q=lockheed+lancer


Regards...

Actually Google does let us down. Note that none of the links
supplied give much information or any pictures.

Try these (which I found from a similar Google search)

For text:
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f104_34.html

For pictures:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../x-27-pics.htm

Note that in the first picture, the airplane with the rectangular inlets is
a mockup of the X-27, not the CL-1200 Lancer. The other two are the Lancer
itself. It took me a second to spot the differences from the F-104 -- note
the wing and tail positions.

I have to say the original Starfighter looks nicer.



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Try these (which I found from a similar Google search)

For text:
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f104_34.html

For pictures:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../x-27-pics.htm

Note that in the first picture, the airplane with the rectangular inlets
is
a mockup of the X-27, not the CL-1200 Lancer. The other two are the
Lancer
itself. It took me a second to spot the differences from the F-104 --
note
the wing and tail positions.

I have to say the original Starfighter looks nicer.



--
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)



I worked on the 104 for a few years in the late 70s-early 80s. A very
exciting aircraft, that sort of lead to my
interest in the spin off. Thanks for you help.

and found this too.
Steve
http://members.home.nl/noor.luijkx/northam/lancer.htm
"Brendan Grace" wrote in message
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Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back in the 70s
for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was
a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the program or
even if a mock up was built.

There was a mock-up made. It was then modified into the X-27.If you can get
ahold of the Jay Miller "X-Planes book, it has a lot of info on it.
Steve
"Brendan Grace" wrote in message
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Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back in the 70s
for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was
a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the program or
even if a mock up was built.

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:02:19 GMT, "Brendan Grace"
wrote:

Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back in the 70s
for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was
a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the program or
even if a mock up was built.



Actually IIRC the design that was put forward in that competition was
the CL-1600. According to a *Boeing* engineer the Lockheed design
should have beat out both the F-16 and F-17. Obviously he's biased
somewhat but the reason Kelly Johnson put forth for them losing was
that the CL-1600 was better than the *F-15* and the USAF didn't want
anything jepordizing the program. Kindof like if one of the JSF
contenders had been better than the F-22. There was also speculation
that Kelly Johnson had essentially been blackballed. Anyway the
relevant info is in Jay Miller's "Skunk Works" 2nd Edition.