radiocomm question

Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

So I taxied out, eventually holding short of 23L on Charlie. The
instructor asked if I was going to switch to tower. I told him no,
that we weren't at 14 yet. He insisted that since we were holding
short of 23L that we needed to contact the tower to get across. I
disagreed.

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0802/00516AD.PDF

"TakeFlight" wrote:

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....

I would have stayed with ground until ready for takeoff at 14.

Nevertheless, it probably didn't matter much to the controller. At bigger
airports, it might.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

"TakeFlight" wrote in message
...
Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

So I taxied out, eventually holding short of 23L on Charlie. The
instructor asked if I was going to switch to tower. I told him no,
that we weren't at 14 yet. He insisted that since we were holding
short of 23L that we needed to contact the tower to get across. I
disagreed.

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0802/00516AD.PDF


You stay with ground until you get to the destination that you were told.
The only exception I can think of is if there is some NOTAM, or airport
letter on file and posted.

--
BobF.

"TakeFlight" wrote in message
...

Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

So I taxied out, eventually holding short of 23L on Charlie. The
instructor asked if I was going to switch to tower. I told him no,
that we weren't at 14 yet. He insisted that since we were holding
short of 23L that we needed to contact the tower to get across. I
disagreed.

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


Your instructor was mistaken. You should remain with ground control until
ready to request takeoff clearance unless told otherwise.

On Mar 10, 12:21*pm, TakeFlight wrote:
Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

Yes, this really depends on the airport and is very common when two
runway's approach section are right on top of each other. I've seen
the same thing at Albuquerque international. When I asked ground to
cross the "hold short" runway they thought I was an idiot and told me
to ask tower. In anycase, your CFI probably had this inside
information to avoid ground from thinking you're crazy. As pilots we
learn the general rules for airports all over the place but some
controller who's only worked ground at one airport probably thinks its
normal and us "out-of-town" pilots are odd.

-Robert, CFII

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Your instructor was mistaken. You should remain with ground control until
ready to request takeoff clearance unless told otherwise.

Agreed. I have noticed at quite a few airports that the tower likes to
handle the crossing of active runways. If this is the case, Ground should
have instructed you to contact the tower when holding short at Charlie.

If the runway were obviously clear and it looked like I'd been forgotten, I
would have contacted Ground and reminded them that I was holding short of 23L.
Since you were holding for landing traffic, it's quite possible that Ground
would have instructed you to continue your taxi once the landing traffic was
clear.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


Your instructor was mistaken. You should remain with ground control until
ready to request takeoff clearance unless told otherwise.


I agree. I'd have stayed with ground until I was ready for takeoff from the
runway I was going to use. When I was ready to actually take off after runup,
I'd switch to tower to get the go-ahead to actually enter the runway for either
immediate departure or taxi and hold, as the case may be.

I flew out of RDU Monday through Friday for a time as a courier pilot and never
heard of this before. And RDU is probably busy enough to have its own ground
controller.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Dan Luke" wrote in message


I would have stayed with ground until ready for takeoff at 14.

Nevertheless, it probably didn't matter much to the controller. At
bigger airports, it might.

RDU isn't exactly a backwater field, but I agree with staying with ground.

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"John T" wrote:


RDU isn't exactly a backwater field, but I agree with staying with ground.

Didn't say it was, but I bet it's more relaxed than a busy Bravo like
Houston Hobby, for example.

They don't care much for home-made radio procedure at HOU.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Your instructor was wrong. Ground control owns everything up to the hold
line for the runway in use.

Bob Gardner
SAY AGAIN, PLEASE

"TakeFlight" wrote in message
...
Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

So I taxied out, eventually holding short of 23L on Charlie. The
instructor asked if I was going to switch to tower. I told him no,
that we weren't at 14 yet. He insisted that since we were holding
short of 23L that we needed to contact the tower to get across. I
disagreed.

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0802/00516AD.PDF